Psh Yamamoto would waste him AND is a waaaay better Melee fighter.

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As much as I love Ichigo-kun,Yamamoto-sama is just too strong and he has more experience as well..so I'd have to say Yamamoto would win.

I'm sure there are a lot of Ichigo fans out there who will claim he's the better melee fighter, but they have an uphill battle to substantiate it. Recall that this is the same Captain Commander who cut that monstrous beast Akon in half with a single slice. Recall that he easily punched holes many times the size of his fists through Wonderweiss, an arrancar tailor-made to beat him. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a character better than him in melee combat.

Exactly! I thought about using Ayon as a example.

Isn't the beast called Ayon

Yeah, my bad on that one. Akon's a member of the research division, very similar names.

The picture's kind of misleading.. I thought it was Hollow Ichigo at first and then I read, and had to go back and change my vote Dx

Trololol?.....


Even hollow ichigo wouldn't beat him in melee XD

BITCH PLEASE!!!! I feel like I don't need to explain anything. Just... B-I-T-C-H P-L-E-A-S-E!
Yamamoto is a babbler. Ichigo takes action.

^That was just.....look at Whiteflame's answer

This vote is way too close considering who's involved. Lisseth, I have my problems with Yamamoto as well, but his relative inaction in many cases doesn't make him less effective of a melee fighter.

OK, he defeated Ayon...

Ichigo defeated:
Menos Grande
Renji Abarai
Byakya Kuchiki
Kenpachi Zaraki
Jin Kariya
Grimmjow Jaegerjaques
Ulquiorra Ciffer
Sousuke Aizen

I'm not mentioning the bunch of lieutenants, hollows and random characters Ichigo defeated. And I just mentioned one from the fillers, but there are surely a lot more.
I'm so lazy to keep writing...plus I would never finish...Ichigo just devastates anything in his path.

Yamamoto could have beat all of them. He defeated Wonderweiss with his bare hands and wonderweiss was specifically made to beat him. He is by far the best melee fighter. Ichigo could not have beat any of those opponents with only melee. Except maybe the menos.

Let's look at everyone on that list:

A Menos isn't worth mentioning, easily the weakest here.
The Vice Captains and Captains are all subservient to him for a reason, I don't think that any of them are even close to a match (he himself said he's the strongest in 1000 years).
Jin Kariya was powerful, but hardly a match.
Grimmjow was much the same, powerful but not that strong.
Ulquiorra's a bit uncertain, but I can pretty much guarantee that Yamamoto could have taken him. Even if not, recall that that form was Hollow Ichigo.
That just leaves Sousuke Aizen. Please note that even Aizen admitted that, head to head, Yamamoto would certainly win. At best, this makes Ichigo and Yamamoto somewhat comparable, though if we're just talking about melee fighting, there's no contest. Ichigo wouldn't have been able to defeat Aizen without his Final Getsuga Tenshou, which didn't use a melee ability to win, but rather a massive black energy wave.

@Whiteflame He didn't even win against Aizen so he can't even be placed in Ichigo's win pile.

Aizen survived the Getsuga and was only beat by Urahara's sealing. All Ichigo did was stall him.

Yamamoto is what? X-Thousand years older than Ichigo. And I'm pretty sure by now Ichigo doubles Yamamoto's skills and he's getting even powerful.
Yamamoto has centuries and centuries of experience and however a 15-year-old teenager has been able to achieve unbelievable exploits.

Ichigo could not have beaten them? Yamamoto stood idly, just watching while his Captains and Lieutenants were being defeated by three Espada and their Fracción. When he fought Aizen and Wonderweiss he was rested enough to entertain them; and despite that... he wasn't a satisfactory entertainer.
On the other side, Ichigo had been endlessly fighting (WITHOUT A SINGLE SECOND TO REST) since he arrived Hueco Mundo. Even after he came back to the Fake Karakura (after having fought Grimmjow, Nnoitra, Dordoni Alessandro, Yammy, Ulquiorra...) he couldn't rest because he trained with his father during 3 months to beat the most BADASS boss character (same one your Yamamoto couldn't beat before).

Apart. They say Ryuujin Jakka is the most powerful fire Zanpakuto and with a single blow that 'thing' Wonderweiss brought could easily quit Ryuujin Jakka's fire barrier. The thing was powerful enough and 'meant' to beat it, you say? BITCH PLEASE (LOL!) a single Mashiro Kick was able to smash it. ^-^

@Lisseth you aren't making sense....This is for melee, the battle against Aizen cannot be used as an example, he didn't beat him with melee.

Just watch Yamamoto's fight's again and you'll see what we mean.

What does Yamamoto's age have to do with anything? He accomplished more than Ichigo by FAR!

Alright, there are 3 major points in there Lisseth, so I'll respond to each.

1) Yamamoto does tend to stand by a lot in fights, and that pisses me off as well. That doesn't make him a bad melee fighter, that makes him a bad head captain.
2) Ichigo has a ton of stamina, no question there. If this was a comparison of stamina, he'd win against anyone. The guy just keeps on going. Admittedly, though, you're mistaken about breaks. When he was healed by Orihime and Unohana, those essentially functioned as full restores. But in the end, it makes little difference, since stamina has little if anything to do with melee fighting ability.
3) The point about how Ichigo is moving far faster than anyone could imagine is also true. The problem is that we're not comparing Ichigo in a few decades to Yamamoto. We're comparing them now. I have no doubt that Ichigo will exceed him at some point, I just feel that Yamamoto is well beyond his level right now.

Beyond that, the point about whether Yamamoto could beat Aizen and Wonderweiss is moot. The reason he lost that fight was because Wonderweiss stored away all of his flames in his body. In order to save the lives of everyone in the vicinity, Yamamoto practically sacrificed his life to contain the flames. And after he did that, he used the highest level kido spell to date to inflict damage on the previously untouchable Aizen. And recognize that Wonderweiss was hand-crafted to kill him. That would be like if Aizen created an arrancar capable of absorbing the entirety of Zangetsu's energy out of it. And even without his blade, he was kicking Wonderweiss's ass. You mention the Mashiro Kick he took. Realize two things about that. One, it did hardly any damage. Wonderweiss looked practically unharmed when he rose later, and then proceeded to hand Mashiro her ass on a platter. Two, Mashiro did that while he was still unreleased. Recall that Kensei even went bankai after she fell to try and fight him. Somehow, Wonderweiss escaped that fight, appearing before Yamamoto unharmed. Kensei never rejoined the fight. I think we can assume he lost, and that's a former captain Visored, stronger than Mashiro.

This is probably the last time I'll be on for the next couple of weeks, so I'll make this snappy.

Lisseth, for someone who actually told me that Ichigo only wins through his 'Protagonist's Luck', you seem to have made a major change in heart. The fact is, while you make good points about how useless Genryuusai can be sometimes, Whiteflame's argument is simply, better put... I'm sorry, but in a melee fight, Genryuusai would literally destroy Ichigo. Ichigo's battles have all revolved around two things: determination and luck. Unfortunately, luck is not a great factor to rely on in battle. He was lucky to beat Byakuya, and wouldn't have done so, if Hollow Ichigo hadn't emerged (not a part of the whole 'melee' thing). He was also lucky to defeat Ulquiorra, and wouldn't have done so, if Orihime hadn't been there and Uryu hadn't distracted the Espada. He didn't defeat Aizen, because it was Kisuke who actually managed to seal Aizen away, Ichigo merely stalled him. Ichigo only just beat Grimmjow, using his Hollowfication, again. Anyway, your claim that Ichigo has defeated more people is moot... You honestly think that the Head-Captain wouldn't have destroyed all of those you listed in your list? Even so, it makes no difference, because Ichigo is the main character. If Genryuusai was the main character, then he would have destroyed the most people. Frankly, that Protagonist's Luck thing really hits the nail on the head... The only great things about Ichigo are his determination, stamina and stubornness... His Bankai is boring, his Hollowifcation makes him reckless and he always seems to get the snot beaten out of him.

@blackpanther666: You are taking me wrong. I actually keep that thought of Ichigo's protagonist luck very vivid here in my mind (and as much as I love him I do recognize it and I'm still strongly believing that point of the Main Character's luck, I didn't change my mind). Protagonist's Luck Principle isn't applicable here as the opponent Ichigo is facing is, in my opinion, under him. The Principle only applies for OBVIOUSLY stronger chars. such as Ulquiorra or even Grimmjow. I think you understand by now ^-^

That apart, I don't really mind if you find his Hollowification boring or that stuff, that isn't the point. Yamamoto is just babbling around while Ichigo is giving the best of him. While Yamamoto says: "This is the greatest problem in the Gotei 13's History" everytime a tragedy happens, Ichigo takes action and doesn't stand idly.
Yamamoto does nothing, to the contrary you have seen a lot coming from Ichigo. I think you three (blackpanther666, wantadog, whiteflame) are just letting your votes go on fascinated by the "Head-captain" title, but when it comes to REAL facts, it's obvious Ichigo wins the debate. Here, your "assumptions" about Yamamoto winning "this" and "that" battle don't really matter. You are supposing Yamamoto would win, while on the other side Ichigo already WON "that determined" battle.
I know this melee style opinions are usually very biased, but you have a clear proof of how "best" melee fighter your Pyro Gramp is: Ichigo properly battled with Aizen-sama while Yamamoto just managed to "burn" him a little with a really pitiful Kidou. Sorry but... Is that what your best melee fighter, as you say, can do? If it's like that, then there's surely something that doesn't fit in this story...

There's a point you are missing. Ichigo never beat Aizen. He tried. He failed. Urahara saved his ass from death. I understand that Ichigo was obviously stronger after he magically got his final getsuga tenshou which just so happened to be there, but he still would have lost even if he didn't do Mugetsu or whatever it's called.

Hi wantadog!

Also there's something you are missing ^-^ I said "Ichigo properly battled with Aizen-sama" (though I DO consider Ichigo beated my Aizen-sama, but I kept that to myself, to my inner world) instead of as I always say ("Ichigo beated him") because I knew you were going to point that out. I was already aware of that.
Urahara saved Ichigo, no one denies it, but Ichigo was the one who controled the situation with Aizen-sama, something NO ONE could do before, not even your "Head-captain".

Oh! There's also another point! But I'm pretty sure you aren't missing this one. Yamamoto didn't even entertain Aizen. He tried to beat him. He had his EPIC fail.

Another thing! Ichigo didn't "magically" got his Final Getsuga Tenshou. He trained hard. Keep that in mind.

Hi XD

Ichigo pwned Aizen. That's a fact, but I think you need to watch that battle again. Yamamoto was kicking Aizen's ass in that fight. Then Wonderweiss took away his zanpakuto powers, and he proceeded to beat the living **** out of Wonderweiss and probably would have gotten right back to kicking Aizen's ass after he was done if not for Wonderweiss absorbing all his flames. It's all in Whiteflame's answer. There really isn't that much to add.

So he did properly battle. So did Yamamoto.

Ya, and there "just so happened" to be another level to his getsuga tenshou.

"So he did properly battle. So did Yamamoto."
mmm I'm not so sure. Yamamoto practically burned himself in order to "dominate" Aizen-sama. Aizen-sama got out of the battle with Yamamoto, almost without a single scar. To the contrary, Yamamoto lost one of his arms. After that proper fight between Aizen-sama and Yamamoto, Aizen-sama was able to even beat Isshin, Yoruichi & Urahara (the three at the same time). Is that the proper fight your Yamamoto can bring us? One in which he finished all destroyed lying in the ground while his opponent wasn't even hurt enough? To the contrary he was all healthy and strong that he could beat 3 captain-level opponents.

On the other side, Ichigo DID dominate the situation. He DID make scars in Aizen-sama (more than one, in fact. More than ripping his opponent's clothes). And after that fight, Aizen-sama was weakened enough so that Urahara (a previous opponent that Aizen-sama defeated) would imprison him with his kidou. Oh! I almost forget about this! Ichigo got out more unharmed than Yamamoto, with both arms in the right places, just a detail ^-^
So there's a BIG difference and I guess the person who needs to watch the battle again is another one instead of me ^_^
Oyasumi!

"Oh! I almost forget about this! Ichigo got out more unharmed than Yamamoto"

Lol he lost all of his spiritual pressure, becoming an ordinary human again. That's a bit more of a lost than a lost arm. Especially since Orihime can heal a lost arm.


Yamamoto only lost and got burned because Aizen played dirty and Yamamoto sacrificed himself to save his subordinates.

Either way, it boils down to Yamamoto being a superior melee fighter(And in my opinion, a better overall fighter) than Ichigo. Even when Ichigo had his so called upper hand on Aizen, he still had to resort to using his Getsuga, which is not melee and doesn't count.