I'll get to that but i just wanna ask express my theory on something i think a lot of people might be mistaken about. Just how much of a power-up is the LFD??. The LFD is weaker now??. Is LFD still a power-up? Erza is stronger than the LFD??.
Now what exactly is the LFD, the Lightning Flame Dragon, a state achieved when natsu took in Lightning based magic. and fuses Lightning and Flames. If Natsu achieved the LFD by eating laxus magic, then why didn't he achieve something similar when he ate etherion или Jellal's magic??
The logic answer is, Etherion is simply a mass of etherano so its reasonable it'd just give him a massive power boost in his own element. becoming a огонь Dragon force, and in Jellal's case, He converted all of his magic power into the огонь magic, flame of rebuke, so this plus natsu's magic power tool him to огонь Dragon force level again. But laxus's was different, he gave natsu his magic power not in form of etherano или огонь but in form of lightning so Natsu was able to use lightning magic, and basic this was still magic power in the sense, the magic power was able to permit Natsu his inherent magic, Fire, hence the lightning flame magic. Now thats how it works
Why does it work?
Normally we know that when DS eat elements not typically their own, they get sick. So why was natsu able to eat lightning and not get sick immediately, или еще recently Gajeel able to eat without getting sick.
@reefa suggested that when they are weak they can imbue other elements, it could be true, but here's what i think. Two magic powers can't exist in one container, that is what causes the immediate sickness.
Let me explain, It was сказал(-а) that natsu became sick the instant he ate laxus's lightning in one of their fights, at the fight it is possible that Natsu had his magic, lets call it NMp, so he had NMp in him, then he ate laxus's attack made of LMp, so in his container, NMp and LMp together causes him to be sick, but when he ate laxus's lightning against Hades, he was out of Magic power so NMp = 0 at that point, then Laxus gave him his magic power LMp, so in his container, we have only LMp, now this LMp naturally allows for lightning magic, so Natsu can use lightning, but the LMp is still magic power, and Natsu's body is trained или made to convert Mp to fire, so the LMp also allows for his огонь ability, Hence an LFD without getting sick, but it was shown that he got sick later when he fell but its technically not being sick since he was up not long later. The etherion one, is simply him eating etherano, thats not a problem, because all the magics have been merged together to etherano, but he later felt the effects because his body would have later broken them down and stuff. Thats for why he doesn't get sick in the LFD, i.e why it works
Now How strong is it?
People have the tendency to overestimate what the LFD is and how strong it is, Sure it was a massive power-up for Natsu pre-timeskip, and i'll get to why.
LFD was achieved as i explained below through Laxus's LMp, and in fights, aside bad match-ups. emotional state, and will to fight, Strength usually is a major deciding factor, when i say strength i don't mean power, i mean everything, power, speed and all. Now in Fairy Tail, Magic Power is what provides all this. Now LFD was powered by Laxus's magic power. So LFD was at pre-timeskip laxus strength but here is the only difference.
example
LMp = 200
LFD = 200Mp
so the difference between laxus fighting and the LFD fighting is in the destructive power, Because the LFD used both flames and lightning, the attacks are еще powerful than just flames или lighting of the same magic power. That is
LFD = 20Mp roar is greater than огонь Dragon 20Mp roar, или Lightning Dragon 20Mp roar in destructive power.
Note the LFD is not a unison raid, someone once suggested that, a unison raid is not when two magic types combine but when two different magic power combine, this means Natsu's огонь and Romeo's огонь could combine for a unison raid, as it happened with Juvia and Aquarius.
So the LFD is simply like laxus attacking but with higher destructive capacity, and not too high, so the LFD can be сказал(-а) to be a power-up from pre-timeskip Natsu to Pre-time skip Laxus, which was a massive power-up. So the power of the LFD is determined by the amount of magic power it is running on, the proof of this is when after coming back from tenryuujima, just before going to train, Natsu used the LFD, he used up all his magic power and the roar wasn't anywhere as big as the one he used while fighting hades.
So the LFD against hades was laxus with just about higher potency in attack.
Just to help Ты further understand think of it this way, if the same amount of magic power was used for Natsu's Dragon slayer roar and Romeo's радуга magic fire, sure they could be the same size but the DS would be just that much stronger the same applies for LFD and Natsu's normal fire.
How strong is the LFD Now?
From above i established that the LFD is as strong as the magic power running it, so the LFD now will be as strong as Natsu. right now i think Natsu is as strong as pre-time skip laxus in terms of magic power, meaning the LFD will either be the same as it was at Tenryuujima или even slightly weaker. Why do i say weaker, i'll explain below
How does the LFD work now?
Now natsu uses the LFD and he doesn't possess LMp anymore, my theory on how it works now is, Natsu converts his NMp into lightning magic based on what his body experienced against Hades on Tenryuujima, this means this method is possible less efficient, because of the whole conversion thing and with that, possibly weaker. One thing we can use to possibly prove this lesser efficiency is, while Natsu fought hades with LMp, he didn't have much control and was using the magic anyhow, erza Комментарии on how he burned up all the massive LMp so quickly. now when he used LFD with his own magic, he had 0 control has it consumed all his magic. That shows lesser control because natsu is normally capable of controlling his magic to give multiple roars, или it could just be that the roar from the LFD requires a high level of magic power, but this is displaced by the fact that the one against hades was bigger, and if that was the threshold then natsu won;t have been able to produce a roar against Max, so i'll settle for Natsu having less control.
This is why the LFD could possibly be weaker now, because while natsu might have the magic power to rival the one Laxus had pre-time skip, he doesn't have the conversion efficeincy.
Another thing, that in my opinion makes LFD now weaker than it was pre-timeskip is, just my personal opinion is, i doubt minerva would dare put her hand in the pretimeskip LFD's attacks, it would have been crushed to smithereens, but like i сказал(-а) this one is my opinion, it could simply be that the world has moved up so much that it is now possible, which i believe is a valid assumption/point.
How Suitable is the LFD for Batlles?
Natsu lacks control on it that it becomes quite unsuitable, we know that as of now, he doesn't faint again after using as shown when used against Jiemma, but it burns through his magic power so much because he can't control it, and so if there's an opponent like minerva that can just evade the attack, then he gets tired after a few attacks and gest killed for his troubles.
Now based on all this, it is my opinion that, ok before that, i just remembered something, pre-time skip laxus is about as strong as Makarov (pre-time and now.) или a little stronger или weaker, so i don't think natsu is pre-time skip laxus, but a little way off, definitely as strong as Mirajane + Erza together but not as strong as Pre-Laxus. I would have just gone to change it up there, but it might mean revising a lot of things so its better this way, so anyone Чтение it would adjust accordingly, so this should cement the fact that LFD now is weaker than LFD at tenryuujima.
LFD now is simply normal Natsu with higher potency. No power-up any longer because natsu has done thr power-up himself and his using his own magic
This is why i feel Erza now that IMO has surpassed makarov would defeat Natsu LFD или not, i also feel Minerva would have defeated natsu LFD или not had he continued the fight..
Now that brings me to the annoying part the new ISD, now this is even еще misconcepted becauses people are just comparing it to LFD, now thats ridiculous based on the circumstances for which it was achieved.
Now we know LFD is not a fixed power but depends on the amount of magic running it, the same would be for ISD. Now we can also say ISD would have higher potency than normal Iron Dragon Magic.
I like the concept of ISD, it means Natsu isn't like some special DS and makes all the DS all the еще special together which is cool.
Now ISD follows the same concept as LFD. LFD was so strong because NATSU ATE ALL OF LAXUS'S MAGIC POWER
Now Gajeel just ate a simple attack from the entity shadow, sure its enough to get him in ISD mode, as long as there are 2 magics no matter how weak, LFD или ISD can be achieved. So I only expect Gajeel to be have higher potency, because there is no way eating an attack from Shadow is as strong as the entire of laxus Magic power. So Gajeel right now should not have any out there power-up, but just power enough to equal what Shadow+Rogue can dish out the same way natsu got when he ate the Zancrow god flames.
But the good thing about this is, after this fight, if Gajeel's body can recall the feeling like natsu and convert his own magic power into shadow, then he becomes equal to natsu again even if Natsu uses the LFD.
If we say this for LFD and ISD, then while using them Natsu and Gajeel are still necessarily in Gray, Freed's level until proven otherwise. - See еще at: link
Now what exactly is the LFD, the Lightning Flame Dragon, a state achieved when natsu took in Lightning based magic. and fuses Lightning and Flames. If Natsu achieved the LFD by eating laxus magic, then why didn't he achieve something similar when he ate etherion или Jellal's magic??
The logic answer is, Etherion is simply a mass of etherano so its reasonable it'd just give him a massive power boost in his own element. becoming a огонь Dragon force, and in Jellal's case, He converted all of his magic power into the огонь magic, flame of rebuke, so this plus natsu's magic power tool him to огонь Dragon force level again. But laxus's was different, he gave natsu his magic power not in form of etherano или огонь but in form of lightning so Natsu was able to use lightning magic, and basic this was still magic power in the sense, the magic power was able to permit Natsu his inherent magic, Fire, hence the lightning flame magic. Now thats how it works
Why does it work?
Normally we know that when DS eat elements not typically their own, they get sick. So why was natsu able to eat lightning and not get sick immediately, или еще recently Gajeel able to eat without getting sick.
@reefa suggested that when they are weak they can imbue other elements, it could be true, but here's what i think. Two magic powers can't exist in one container, that is what causes the immediate sickness.
Let me explain, It was сказал(-а) that natsu became sick the instant he ate laxus's lightning in one of their fights, at the fight it is possible that Natsu had his magic, lets call it NMp, so he had NMp in him, then he ate laxus's attack made of LMp, so in his container, NMp and LMp together causes him to be sick, but when he ate laxus's lightning against Hades, he was out of Magic power so NMp = 0 at that point, then Laxus gave him his magic power LMp, so in his container, we have only LMp, now this LMp naturally allows for lightning magic, so Natsu can use lightning, but the LMp is still magic power, and Natsu's body is trained или made to convert Mp to fire, so the LMp also allows for his огонь ability, Hence an LFD without getting sick, but it was shown that he got sick later when he fell but its technically not being sick since he was up not long later. The etherion one, is simply him eating etherano, thats not a problem, because all the magics have been merged together to etherano, but he later felt the effects because his body would have later broken them down and stuff. Thats for why he doesn't get sick in the LFD, i.e why it works
Now How strong is it?
People have the tendency to overestimate what the LFD is and how strong it is, Sure it was a massive power-up for Natsu pre-timeskip, and i'll get to why.
LFD was achieved as i explained below through Laxus's LMp, and in fights, aside bad match-ups. emotional state, and will to fight, Strength usually is a major deciding factor, when i say strength i don't mean power, i mean everything, power, speed and all. Now in Fairy Tail, Magic Power is what provides all this. Now LFD was powered by Laxus's magic power. So LFD was at pre-timeskip laxus strength but here is the only difference.
example
LMp = 200
LFD = 200Mp
so the difference between laxus fighting and the LFD fighting is in the destructive power, Because the LFD used both flames and lightning, the attacks are еще powerful than just flames или lighting of the same magic power. That is
LFD = 20Mp roar is greater than огонь Dragon 20Mp roar, или Lightning Dragon 20Mp roar in destructive power.
Note the LFD is not a unison raid, someone once suggested that, a unison raid is not when two magic types combine but when two different magic power combine, this means Natsu's огонь and Romeo's огонь could combine for a unison raid, as it happened with Juvia and Aquarius.
So the LFD is simply like laxus attacking but with higher destructive capacity, and not too high, so the LFD can be сказал(-а) to be a power-up from pre-timeskip Natsu to Pre-time skip Laxus, which was a massive power-up. So the power of the LFD is determined by the amount of magic power it is running on, the proof of this is when after coming back from tenryuujima, just before going to train, Natsu used the LFD, he used up all his magic power and the roar wasn't anywhere as big as the one he used while fighting hades.
So the LFD against hades was laxus with just about higher potency in attack.
Just to help Ты further understand think of it this way, if the same amount of magic power was used for Natsu's Dragon slayer roar and Romeo's радуга magic fire, sure they could be the same size but the DS would be just that much stronger the same applies for LFD and Natsu's normal fire.
How strong is the LFD Now?
From above i established that the LFD is as strong as the magic power running it, so the LFD now will be as strong as Natsu. right now i think Natsu is as strong as pre-time skip laxus in terms of magic power, meaning the LFD will either be the same as it was at Tenryuujima или even slightly weaker. Why do i say weaker, i'll explain below
How does the LFD work now?
Now natsu uses the LFD and he doesn't possess LMp anymore, my theory on how it works now is, Natsu converts his NMp into lightning magic based on what his body experienced against Hades on Tenryuujima, this means this method is possible less efficient, because of the whole conversion thing and with that, possibly weaker. One thing we can use to possibly prove this lesser efficiency is, while Natsu fought hades with LMp, he didn't have much control and was using the magic anyhow, erza Комментарии on how he burned up all the massive LMp so quickly. now when he used LFD with his own magic, he had 0 control has it consumed all his magic. That shows lesser control because natsu is normally capable of controlling his magic to give multiple roars, или it could just be that the roar from the LFD requires a high level of magic power, but this is displaced by the fact that the one against hades was bigger, and if that was the threshold then natsu won;t have been able to produce a roar against Max, so i'll settle for Natsu having less control.
This is why the LFD could possibly be weaker now, because while natsu might have the magic power to rival the one Laxus had pre-time skip, he doesn't have the conversion efficeincy.
Another thing, that in my opinion makes LFD now weaker than it was pre-timeskip is, just my personal opinion is, i doubt minerva would dare put her hand in the pretimeskip LFD's attacks, it would have been crushed to smithereens, but like i сказал(-а) this one is my opinion, it could simply be that the world has moved up so much that it is now possible, which i believe is a valid assumption/point.
How Suitable is the LFD for Batlles?
Natsu lacks control on it that it becomes quite unsuitable, we know that as of now, he doesn't faint again after using as shown when used against Jiemma, but it burns through his magic power so much because he can't control it, and so if there's an opponent like minerva that can just evade the attack, then he gets tired after a few attacks and gest killed for his troubles.
Now based on all this, it is my opinion that, ok before that, i just remembered something, pre-time skip laxus is about as strong as Makarov (pre-time and now.) или a little stronger или weaker, so i don't think natsu is pre-time skip laxus, but a little way off, definitely as strong as Mirajane + Erza together but not as strong as Pre-Laxus. I would have just gone to change it up there, but it might mean revising a lot of things so its better this way, so anyone Чтение it would adjust accordingly, so this should cement the fact that LFD now is weaker than LFD at tenryuujima.
LFD now is simply normal Natsu with higher potency. No power-up any longer because natsu has done thr power-up himself and his using his own magic
This is why i feel Erza now that IMO has surpassed makarov would defeat Natsu LFD или not, i also feel Minerva would have defeated natsu LFD или not had he continued the fight..
Now that brings me to the annoying part the new ISD, now this is even еще misconcepted becauses people are just comparing it to LFD, now thats ridiculous based on the circumstances for which it was achieved.
Now we know LFD is not a fixed power but depends on the amount of magic running it, the same would be for ISD. Now we can also say ISD would have higher potency than normal Iron Dragon Magic.
I like the concept of ISD, it means Natsu isn't like some special DS and makes all the DS all the еще special together which is cool.
Now ISD follows the same concept as LFD. LFD was so strong because NATSU ATE ALL OF LAXUS'S MAGIC POWER
Now Gajeel just ate a simple attack from the entity shadow, sure its enough to get him in ISD mode, as long as there are 2 magics no matter how weak, LFD или ISD can be achieved. So I only expect Gajeel to be have higher potency, because there is no way eating an attack from Shadow is as strong as the entire of laxus Magic power. So Gajeel right now should not have any out there power-up, but just power enough to equal what Shadow+Rogue can dish out the same way natsu got when he ate the Zancrow god flames.
But the good thing about this is, after this fight, if Gajeel's body can recall the feeling like natsu and convert his own magic power into shadow, then he becomes equal to natsu again even if Natsu uses the LFD.
If we say this for LFD and ISD, then while using them Natsu and Gajeel are still necessarily in Gray, Freed's level until proven otherwise. - See еще at: link
