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PREFACE - THE JEALOUS-FALLACY IN ITS MANY FORMS

Alright, I have already dissected one very common fallacy invoked by some Twilight Фаны and a few Harry Potter Фаны as well, the Edward-fallacy. I shall not discuss that one but instead I will be moving on and examine another common fallacy invoked by some fans, using what I believe is the two most common forms of it.

"YOU ARE JUST JEALOUS, THEREFORE YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID"

Firstly, let us examine the logical reasoning behind "You are just jealous, therefore your argument is invalid".
It is invoked when any Фан post an argument and employes this...
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1. It has better writing.
2. It's plotline is better.
3. I'd rather read a book about a teenage boy going to a wizardry school and fighting a dark sorceror than one about a ditzy girl who's way too obsessed with her sparkly boyfriend.
4. The characters are еще relateable.
5. J.K. Rowling is not afraid to kill off plenty of good guys.
6. Most of the characters' educations actually matter to them.
7. It doesn't have thousands of rabid fangirls.
8. The characters are еще three-dimensional.
9. It stays true to mythology.
10. It has еще types of Любовь in it, not just romantic and sexual Любовь (or should...
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harry potter is now logged in
harry ;anyone here i bored and can't do Magie
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ginny; yea am here this is why better then are old owl LOL
harry; huh? LOL wants that tell ron say hi d hi
ron w has lodged in
ron; hi harry was up and ginny get out of this chat room
ginny; u can't make me
harry; ron ginny be nice and can any one till me what LOL and waz means
ginny; LOL means laughter out loud and wazwantt is up
ron ;lol means laughh out loud and waz want is up
ginny; Ты took the words right out of my mouth
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edwardcullen; I WEAR GIRLS CLOTHS AND AM A SPIKING VAMPIRE WHO HAPPENS TO BE IN Любовь WITH A HUMAN GIRL
harry; freak
ron; yea
ginny; get off hear your in the wrong chat room go to the one with the six год olds
edwardcullen; ok
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first off i would like to say that i used to like t but everyone ruined it.

hp is so much better because its about friendship and standing up for your self it shows fear and judement and kind and tenderness which in twilight its just about useing people to benifit Ты and doin iti mean in twilight, it takes edward and bella what a week to fall in Любовь it takes ron and herimone over 7 years and harry starts to relize he loves ginny after 5 years! and not to mention hp is fun for everyone some people might be afraid of the fact of a man eating vampire watching them not knowing when there going to attack out of hunger. so when Ты "twilight" Фаны find some real evidence that twilight has any real moral to it let me know cause i really like to know wat Ты think. или just Комментарий on this Статья PEACE, sy-sy
Гарри Джеймс Поттер
Harry James Potter
This is not my opinion. It's an excerpt from an Статья titled link. I have however come across a few people who have voiced the same thing. Just curious to know people's thought on this.


Kenny Herzog

I’ve read all of J.K. Rowling’s Harry Potter books—devoured them, really, because whatever her flaws, the lady does a terrific job at building compulsive narratives and enjoyable worlds. But the еще time I spend away from the series, the еще its problems get to me, and the biggest problem of them all is the main character himself. Harry is, to put it kindly, an absolute no one. He suffers...
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Here is an 5 Part Essay wriiten by someone on livejournal that proves Edward isnt abusive.
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I have been having feelings of guilt off and on about shipping Edward and Bella. I'm sure the majority of us Twilight Фаны of have heard about the accusations of Edward being an abusive boyfriend. The accusers are able to back it up with proof of certain behaviors that count as abuse that Ты can read off of a red flag list. What they refuse to do though is look at the big picture. All they see is the surface and refuse to ask why. They even go to such far...
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***NOTE: I did not write this but found it online! No credit to me***

From link

The Twilight vs. Harry Potter Дебаты : Team Potter and Team Twilight take on Вопрос #1

December 24, 12:44 AM
by Michelle Kerns, Book Examiner

If Ты haven't met the members of the Twilight versus Harry Potter Дебаты Team, cast your eye on their qualifications here.
Now, on to the debate! If you've got your own opinions (and what self-respecting Twi-hard или Potter head doesn't?), feel free to leave a Комментарий at the bottom of the page. However, let's remember we are civilized witches, wizards, vampires, and werewolves...
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posted by mariella721
Okay guys, I know everyone's got their own opinion and not everyone has the RIGHT opinion, but as a Twilight fan, can one of Ты Potter Фаны explain what Ты guys see in Harry Potter? Honestly, I haven't read all the books, but I've seen all the Фильмы and they just don't make any sense. And another thing, the plot is bland and there's no real depth to it, like in Twilight. Harry Potter, also has no Любовь in it, which makes for a boring story. Anyways, I just wanted to know what Ты crazies see in those Книги and stuff...

Okay...
See ya :D

Mariella
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This is taken place two years after the events of New Moon.. I warn Ты , it's really long.

Sorry for the typos. I'm really tired.

2.41pm
Sitting on Emily's диван, мягкий уголок for the thousanth time in the last week, was surely a high light.
But the waiting for Jacob was not. He can take far too long sometimes, no doubt he does it on purpose, that way when he finally arrives, I'm almost boucing up and down.

I can tell he likes to see me like that, to see me happy, most defiantly for him.

But I suppose the most fulfilling thing in my growing need for Jacob is watching little Lylia and Dannielle sleep peacefully...
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1. its just all thrown together and the Фильмы leave out way to much.
2. it has no meaning just a girl falls in Любовь then is a vampire the end.
3. is just plain stupid.simple as that
4. theres nothing to figure out. its to predictable.
5. it dosent have enough back story which goes back to # 1
6.and stephine myer wants to keep all the good players while j.k. isnt afraid to for the sake of the book
7.why doesnt she mentention why bellas parent got seperated which geos back to #4
8. it has no plot
9. the problem is the same all the way throughout the sires as h.p. faces many problems.
10.its down right boring hmm lets read the same boring thing over and over! yea! NOT!
TEN REASONS TWILIGHT IS HORRIBLE!!!!
posted by RavenclawRocks
Before Ты all come out with pitchforks and guns, I'd just like to say this is my opinion.

1, Half of the Фаны only like Twilight, because they think Rob/Taylor is hot.

2, I can't argue about the plot because there isn't one.

3, Bella has no personaility.

4, Edward is just plain creepy.

5, Bella always needs a man in her life. When Edward leaves she needs Jacob. This is really stupid.


6,Bella wouldn't even look at Edward if he wasn't hot.

7, Edward wouldn't look at Bella if she didn't smell good.

8, It gives a bad message. Like kill yourself when your sparkly boyfriend is around. или there is no point in being happy unless Ты have a boyfriend. или it's ok to ditch your Друзья to дата a super hot vampire.

9,Meyer constantly repeats the same words to tell us how hot Edward is. This gets boring after two pages.

10, The actors suck.


There,ten reasons. Feel free to add on more.
posted by i-am-mariella
I’ve seen articles, like bri-marie’s, comparing Bella, Twilight’s “heroine” to the girls and female role Модели of the Harry Potter Книги like Hermione and Ginny. I agree with them whole-heartedly and I am happy to follow in the footsteps of strong women from Harry Potter – like Ginny, who is fierce and pretty bad-ass and just в общем и целом, общая a strong female, and Hermione, who is studious and smart and witty and the boys often rely on her skills and “genius.” Because let’s face it – and Ron says it himself – where would they be without Hermione?
So I wanted to make my own because...
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"This Kiss between Hermione and Ron is highly anticipated, it's been building up for eight films now. And Harry Potter is not Twilight, Ты know; we're not selling sex." - Emma Watson

If Ты think Emma Watson is stupid for quoting this, Ты are outta your mind. Ты think Twilight's not selling sex? Irony. Irony how some twi-hards reason out "BECAUSE EDWARD CULLEN IS SO SEXY!!!" if asked why Twilight is better than Harry Potter.

For me, Twilight is just Популярное 'cause it has sex appeal. Wait for several years, no one will be talking about Twilight anymore.. Harry Potter won't be talked about that much but it will never be forgotten.In my case, I know Harry Potter will be a future classic.

Twilight Фаны go ahead and attack me, whenever you're ready.
This Статья isn't mine, this is just an Статья I found on cracked.com (one of the best sites ever!). I agree with most of it, and on that note remember this is opion based, not fact. This is...*drumroll* if Ты don't hate Twilight already, why Ты SHOULD hate Twilight!

Click here to check out the article:
link

Enjoy, and no getting pissy (that's right I'm talking to Ты Twilight Фан girls) if you're going to post, DON'T POST unless Ты write something I can understand. For example, THIS is something I can't understand:
omg liek edward iz liek sooo hawt an like sexxii an liek OMG umminess an u hateur iz liek tttly stoopid an homo an--
It's hurts too much to even finish the example! Anyway, again no haters and enjoy!
Obviously, this spot is about debating Harry Potter and Twilight, and I realised I've never written an article, so I decided to put down all my reasons for Harry Potter being better than Twilight.

Firstly, the 'love' in Twilight is not love. It is over powered lust. To my memory, Edwrad and Bella never have a conversation about from who loves the other more. Edward likes Bella because she smells good, Bella likes Edward because he's 'handsome' (which can't even be proven, he's a book character, we never see him).

The Любовь in Harry Potter is shown as an amazing, all powerful thing that can sace...
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posted by harrypotterbest
Harry woke up the Далее morning with a feeling as though there was a heavy block in his stomach. He got ready and dressed and went downstairs. Ginny was already at the table, waiting for him. She smiled nervously at him, and he сказал(-а) to her ‘Don’t worry; compared to what we’ve been through, this is practice.’
Ginny laughed, and Harry felt pleased. They got their children ready, and dropped them off at the wizard день care, as every adult wizard would be in the battle.
Harry and Ginny apparated with Ron and Hermione to the Cullen backyard, where the battle would commence. When they got...
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Note: I originally had this as a question, but I guess it was too long, so I'm re-posting this in an article.

Question number one: Вампиры hearts don't beat, correct? Correct. I believe this is mentioned several times. Now, in health class, they teach Ты that your сердце pumps and makes your blood flow, correct? Correct. So, it stands to reason that, since Вампиры hearts don't beat, they don't have blood flow, correct? Yes. So, they have no blood flow, no circulation. They cannot bleed, или blush, или anything related to circulation, yes? Yes. This is сказал(-а) several times in the book.

Now, call...
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posted by ABDCFan-
'Good Morning Voldemort' - The HP Version on 'Good Morning Baltimore', from the Musical, Hairspray.

Oh, oh, oh
Woke up today
Feeling the way i always do
Oh, oh, oh
Hungry for Magic
That i can't eat
Then i hear that beat
That rhythm of Voldie
Starts calling me down
It's like a message from
High above
Oh, oh, oh
Pulling me out
To the smiles and the
Streets that i love

Good morning Voldemort!
Every day's like an evil encore
Every night is a fantasy
Every sound's like a death to me!

Good morning Voldemort!
And some день when i take to the floor
The world's gonna wake up and see
Voldemort and me!

Oh, oh, oh
Look at my wand...
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posted by MissKnowItAll
I have read a lot of Статьи etc like this, but I thought I would write m own Просмотры down.

One thing I have heard about Twilight being better is that SMeyer is a better writer. I ask you, how on earth is SMeyer a better writer.

Take this sentence from New Moon:

'Suddenly, it(the bike) looked intimidating, frightening, as I realised I would soon be astride it.'

How does that flow as a sentence? It has two separate realisations together in one sentence. I found it awkward to read.

SMeyer doesn’t make us connect with her characters. She doesn’t describe their feeling well at all. She is not a good...
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I'll admit, I have a pretty diverse bookshelf. I have the Harry Potter Complete Series box set Далее to my Twilight books. People who burn/flame either book are either A. extraordinarily biased или B. have a legitimate reason and may actually have something intelligent to say. To find out what people thought, I decided to ask people who surrounded me at school what their opinions were. If you're interested, read on...

I took a survey of my fellow female students to see what they thought at my middle school (what possessed me to do so, I cannot say), and many of the Ответы I heard were something...
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