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Our beloved 2x02 "Once and Future Queen" is our consideration for today. How many times have Ты watched its scenes? Don't answer, lol. I'm going to leave this up a few days because I really want to hear from folks!


Q1. It has been often said, this includes Arwen fans, that the romance was rushed and "came out of the blue." Do Ты agree или disagree with this? Why?

Q2. Excluding the kiss, of all the lovely, sweet, funny, touching, precious, intense, cute, etc. scenes involving our beloved couple in this episode, which is your Избранное and how did it point to the future in your mind?

Q3. The kiss. Yes, it was impulsive, but in your opinion, what did it mean to Arthur? What did it mean to Gwen?

(Just a note. This episode is packed full of the signature B/A eye language action! As I've сказал(-а) many times, these two have really got it going on! We are fortunate Arwen fans, lol.)

A couple scenes here that the above video missed:

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No Редактировать button? I should have сказал(-а) "below" video, not "above."
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A еще succinct answer below *smile*. Melissa shared a video months ago, that we both agree, is their song. It makes the point, my long winded dissertation tries to. Thanks for the questions. It is good to think.
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The Video - If Your Not The One - link
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VampyreFey said:
Wonderful Nanna! I'm so happy to see yet another set of your Вопросы that get me thinking. Really thinking.

Q1: Interesting question. I've heard people say this many times including several Arwen Фаны who really only began to like the pair at the end of season 2. My take on this- no way. Okay, there was that one little, tiny line where Gwen says something about Arthur having nothing to prove least of all to her that seemed a slight bit out of place. I mean one Kiss and then their feelings are bursting. Small glitch there, but nonetheless I can see why the writers put it in. Gwen was desperately trying to force Arthur to withdraw from a competition that could cost him his life after that injury. Anyways, I shipped Arthur and Gwen since season 1 episode 3 when he comes to have her arrested. So, a Kiss an entire season later definitely does not seem out of the blue. Arthur stood up for her- made me feel really elated about those two. Point is, Gwen disliked Arthur. Sorely disliked him...said she'd never want to marry him to Merlin. But Ты watch their relationship progress. Ты begin to realize how much potential they have. They had build-up- Gwen standing up to Arthur in "The Moment of Truth" and telling him of her faith in him in that episode. Arthur thanking her. The handshake which symbolizes how they've reached an understanding. Then "Le Morte d'Arthur" where Gwen is holding Arthur's hand and telling him of her faith as he will become the Once and Future King. AS I've сказал(-а) before, I think there was an underlying message in that- feelings for him that she are presently hidden to her. Afterwards with our return in "The Curse of Cornelius Sigan." Two words: eye language. And Gwen falling on вверх of Arthur- uh...BIG hint hint of what is very close to happening. And then boom! "The Once and Future Queen" with Arthur staying at Gwen's house, dining with her, realizing just how much he feels for her. No, this romance was not "out of the blue" and certainly not rushed. They had build-up- a real build-up from understanding to feelings to finally a kiss. It was very well thought out as far as I can see.

Q2: The ужин scene. I mean I'm all for angst, so it would make sense that I'd pick their conversation in the tent- but I explained above my little problem with that. And even so, it's not really a problem- it's just a preference of how they wrote it. Her line makes perfect sense and I understand why she сказал(-а) it; it's just not what I would have put in. BUT, I loved the tent scene nevertheless- it's just the ужин scene украл, палантин my heart. It really did. I mean AG had been my Избранное ship in Merlin since the beginning but I honestly did not start loving them lots until that scene. So much amazing eye language, they screamed chemistry, but most of all, they honestly were having a good time. It was precious- the seamstress and Prince have finally realized that they enjoy each other's company immensely.
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...[contd] from Q2: And they can joke and Gwen can tell Arthur that he snores. I laughed, I teared up, and I felt like I was having just as good a time as they were.
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So they сказал(-а) my answer was too long [ugh!] Anyways, I have to answer Вопрос 3 here. Ah, the first kiss. So beautiful. So pure. So tentaive. Impulsive. So different fromt the victory Kiss at the end of season 3. Compare and let us see how far they have developed. Whoa. For both Arthur and Gwen, the first Kiss was about discovery. Discovering how they care about each other dearly. Why they do. Forcing themselves to really face their romantic feelings that they have for each other. They are also discovering their growth as individuals- from a arrogant prat of a Prince who'd have turned his nose up Однажды в сказке at Gwen and the servant girl who swore to have a whole lot of detest for Arthur. It's magical, the first kiss. It's a revelation for the characters and it's something pure for us viewers to enjoy. We watch, we learn from them, and we realize their intensity on screen. All through one small kiss.
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Issie, I don't know how I can tell Ты how much I Любовь Ты right now.
HumbleQueen posted Больше года
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Aw, Nanna! Ты are honestly so sweet! I feel so good about myself now :) ILY ♥
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RosalynCabenson said:
Q1: No, it's definitely not rushed in my opinion. ok, for some it came a little bit to suddenly. But the sympathy the two have for each other began to grow in the end of the first season and we don't know how many time has passed since than.
However, they had probably never spend so much time together and alone, so they got to know each other beter and had a change of mind about the other. Ты can see a developement.
I mean it took a whole season til the first expression of their love.
Also it's the legend ;)

Q2: well, difficult question...can I say all?
ok, the tongue lashing of course, and Arthur saying he'll cook for her. It was just too cute, and showed the other side of him.
The kiss, and it hints the wedding haha
and last but not least the scene where Gwen says "When Ты are king things will be different", yes he'll be King and she'll be his Queen.

Q3: ok, well the first kiss....amazing...yeah it was impulsive. Like I wrote in my fanfic, I think it was like an instinct, that he wasn't aware of his feeling before, или not very at least. And after staying with her, the tension in that scene, how she looked at him, what else could he do? and from his expression in his face after the kiss, I can tell he WAS surprised too.
For Arthur it meant a lot of course, it was a different way to Показать her that he cares for her because he don't know how to say it.
About Gwen I'm a bit uncertain. Maybe it was something like a proove for Arturs change and growing and maybe to realize how much she is actually caring for him??

aww~ I could write novels about this episode XD Избранное 4 ever and always...
Thanks for posting this Nanna!! <3
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Nice to have your imput here, Rose! I read some of your fanfic the other день and was impressed, especially on how Ты captured the happening of the first kiss. Ты mentioned the tongue lashing. Ты know how we all are saying we want to see angst between them in S4. Well, we already had some here in their early days, didn't we?? And that had the making of a squabble right after the ужин scene. So at least we've had a taste of angst. Thanks for your good answer, Rose!
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Melisey said:
Q1: I strongly disagree that it was rushed. I started seeing something in 1x10 when Gwen so politely rebuked him. He listened to her even if she was just a servant. He took it to сердце what she said.
He also seemed amazed by her strength and courage to fight for Ealdor. Gwen started to see the good person inside of Arthur when he helped Merlin. She saw hints of the great leader. Earlier she didn’t seem to like him. In 1x10 she was pleasantly surprised. When she rebuked him we could see hints of the future. She was the voice of reason but she was also encouraging
him. So Arthur noticed her. Then she spoke to him when he almost died. Again he seemed surprised by her words. And we saw a bit of flirting.
In the start of season 2 she again surprised him. She saved his life not considering her own and he was amazed. Ты could see it on his face. So clearly Arthur had noticed Gwen.
Then comes 2x04 and he spent 4 days with her. She again noticed his bad habits. But she also learned that he is capable of learning and developing. When she yelled at him (which I by the way I loved) he took it to сердце and in his fumble attempt tried to do something good for her. It mattered to him what she thought of him. They seemed to enjoy being in each others company. Gwen saw that his stay with her changed him.
The Kiss came so spontaneous that it bewildered them. The looks on both their faces was priceless. It was so natural. Then Arthur backed out because he knew it was impossible. Which led them in to a new faze. The faze of forbidden love, longing looks and angst. Arthur started to think about her all the time. His feelings grew. Their feelings kept growing until they both knew it had to be them. Rushed. I beg to differ.

Q2: To me it was when she rebuked him again actually. We saw him as the prat once again. I always laugh when she so ironically says: “I hope you’ll be comfortable” and clueless Arthur says “I am sure I will be.” When she rebukes him we see Gwen’s great personality shining through. She is serious when it comes to respect, gratitude,equality and politeness. Arthur takes it all to сердце and learns from it. He set out to gain glory. Instead he learned humility. Here we see the great impact that she will have on him then but also in the future. She plays a part in his greatness. She completes him. She is his once and future queen. But also the ужин scene because of all the reasons Issie gave.

Q3: I agree with Rose and Issie. The first Kiss was so spontaneous. It came with instinct. Arthur was clearly smitten with Gwen, it completely overtook him and he acted on it. They looked so bewildered and surprised after it. They discovered that there was something happening between them. That Kiss was so beautiful and pure. It made them aware of their mutual attraction.

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Melissa, this is great. We are all SO on the same page! I particularly liked your answer to Q2. The lessons Arthur learned in those few days in that cottage were invaluable for his future. I'm another one who loves the chewing out scene! Our girl was really something, and his FACE. Thank Ты so much for taking part; it was a real blessing to read this.
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Thank Ты Nanna. I had great fun answering them. I commend Ты for these questions. They truly are important Вопросы for us Arwen fans.
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EPaws said:
Q3 - Part 1
The сердце wants what the сердце wants. Impulsive it might have been, but the impulse comes from somewhere. It was the culmination of their time together and other moments. It was the tipping point, where emotion supersedes the mind, linear thought.
In that moment, where they stand a hair’s breadth away from one another with the exchange of token, all the politesse in the world, could not bridge what he felt in his heart. These two actors do what I like to call linger well. It is the silent spaces that the characters share that is most telling. Example, not the word but the actions in this scene tell Ты more.

How she steps into his aura. She begins to do that еще and more, as time progresses and then nonchalantly offers him the thin strip of white muslin.

Note the give and take of the exchange. She gives it, but holds it. He takes it and kind of snags it from her, to break the tie in effect. Look carefully at the thrust and parry motion of both hands as Arthur, tries to take control of the situation, and that is where the actual fail, so to speak, occurs because they touch, however briefly.

That is the actual tipping point, the watershed moment. These two have been circling each other for days. Like Merlin, she provides a level of honesty, warmth, ridiculous amounts of candor and yes, acceptance of who he is. Particularly telling was one moment when he сказал(-а) he wanted to be treated like everyone else, she begins to really look at him then. That is her watershed moment. She actually sees him, despite his feigned arrogance. That is when she actually shifts and moves from admiration to actually seeing him as a male.

Not the prince, but as a viable male. That is a huge shift. Compound that with respect, the inherent attraction they feel towards one another and Ты have the moment.

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 Q3 - Part 1 The сердце wants what the сердце wants. Impulsive it might have been, but the impulse comes from somewhere. It was the culmination of their time together and other moments. It was the tipping point, where emotion supersedes the mind, linear thought. In that moment, where they stand a hair’s breadth away from one another with the exchange of token, all the politesse in the world, could not bridge what he felt in his heart. These two actors do what I like to call linger well. It is the silent spaces that the characters share that is most telling. Example, not the word but the actions in this scene tell Ты more. How she steps into his aura. She begins to do that еще and more, as time progresses and then nonchalantly offers him the thin strip of white muslin. Note the give and take of the exchange. She gives it, but holds it. He takes it and kind of snags it from her, to break the tie in effect. Look carefully at the thrust and parry motion of both hands as Arthur, tries to take control of the situation, and that is where the actual fail, so to speak, occurs because they touch, however briefly. That is the actual tipping point, the watershed moment. These two have been circling each other for days. Like Merlin, she provides a level of honesty, warmth, ridiculous amounts of candor and yes, acceptance of who he is. Particularly telling was one moment when he сказал(-а) he wanted to be treated like everyone else, she begins to really look at him then. That is her watershed moment. She actually sees him, despite his feigned arrogance. That is when she actually shifts and moves from admiration to actually seeing him as a male. Not the prince, but as a viable male. That is a huge shift. Compound that with respect, the inherent attraction they feel towards one another and Ты have the moment.
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Oh.My.Goodness. Stacey,after Чтение this and what your continuation in the Комментарии above, I am beyond speechless. This was soooo worth waiting for. Ты know, I want to take this answer and frame it and entitle it "The Once and Future Kiss." Stacey, do Ты mind if I put this in the Статьи section and give it a Название of your choice? It's just too beautiful to leave all chopped up here. This Kiss means too much to Arwen Фаны so I want it in a format that we all can go to from time to time. Please say yes I'm going to PM u right now.
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Ok, thanks, Stace! I just PM'd u. I'll work on this tomorrow evening или Mond. Morning as time allows. I'll send the pieced parts 2 u tonight.
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No problem.
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