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Should all "atheists" be punished in "hell" even though they are nice & very good people (like they do a lot of charities, good works, helping people who have poor conditions and maybe saving people's lives)

 dadadas posted Больше года
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coriann said:
as a former Christian, im not in a position to say yes или no to this Вопрос and i respect that. I can give Ты some view points i used to have when i was one, and yes, basically,
so if i was God back then i would have basically just sent myself to hell XD because i believed that anyone who refused to believe in God....the Christian God, would be subject to eternal damnation.
Now let's go back to the new testament shall we? When God talks about his Любовь in John
"for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not his son into the world not to condemn the world but that the world through him should be saved"

Иисус talks about Любовь and he talks about the gentiles, if it wasn't for Иисус only the jews would be able to be saved and he aslo says judge not and Ты shall not be judged and I think Иисус put an ease on some of the strict laws of the old testament.

Now ofcourse all of this means nothing...however, there's this one part that could mean otherwise, a part that i really wish i could find on Google right now! But he says that those who know will be judged by what they know and those who don't know will be judged by what they don't know...now, i think this could mean that if someone genuinely doesn't know that Иисус is God, или that there is a God then they may not have to be judged for it

He also says that if Ты have the word of God written in your heart, which i think means if Ты have a loving сердце and a good moral compass, that Ты don't need to know the word. im sorry, i wish i could have spent еще time digging for the Источник of these things im saying.

But my point is...maybe, if Ты have a good сердце Ты don't need to believe, because how can not believing in something possibly be a sin? What about people who come from places where Христианство doesn't exist? Should we condemn them to hell too? It's complicated but there's hope that maybe God won't do that.
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tiagih said:
Simple answer is Yes, but also note that ALL people deserve hell, but because of Christ blood is why we are saved. Ты must accept Christ to achieve eternal life, those who don't believe that Christ is the Savior won't make it to heaven, no matter how "good" of a person they are.
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posted Больше года 
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Now, i've known enough about Christianiy and why people to Присоединиться the religion ...
dadadas posted Больше года
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what about babies, they don't know anything about religion and who Иисус is, what about people who live in countries where the christian religion is not taught? why should a good kind loving caring person, who does everything he или she can to help his/her neighbour have to burn in eternal огонь for all eternity just because they didn't know something was real или they didn't believe something was real? a person can kill millions of people and genuinly be sorry and go to heaven, but someone who lives in the desert of africa who has a good сердце but don't have access to the christian god will burn with extreme agony and pain for millions and millions of years for all eternity? what about little children who live in atheist countries like china? will there be hundreds of little children ages 5-6 или 10 или 11 или 13 burn for all eternity? and if Ты do believe this, please tell me what's the reason?
coriann posted Больше года
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what's the reason for an innocent person full of Любовь and compassion to burn in hell because they don't believe something? what are they supposed to do if they just don't believe или no one has ever showed them или told them about the christiand god? the bible says if the word of god is written in your hearts Ты shall be saved, god is love, and if Ты have Любовь in your hearts it should be good enough, because i don't know what Ты expect these people to do
coriann posted Больше года
monkeyrockla said:
Im atheist my self, so it all matters who Ты ask.
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posted Больше года 
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Maybe that is why he asked 'here'... on the "Christianity" club?
Sinna_Hime_chan posted Больше года
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Yes, people's ideas of truth differ... waiver, change, ebb & flow. Fortunately God is not like that.
Sinna_Hime_chan posted Больше года
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ahahahaha, yeah monkeyrock, im an atheist too, and i sure don't want to go to hell! :D
coriann posted Больше года
Sinna_Hime_chan said:
Well~ it isn't about good works. It's about faith * it's a gift.

It's not like we can buy our way into Heaven.
Good deeds/good works are their own reward. Doing what is right BECAUSE it is right does not have to have anything to do with God, (as I know plenty of nice agnostics and those of some other non-Christain religions).

The Bible says that works without faith is dead, and faith without works is dead. This means we can give with a good intention and an open heart, sure, but we aren't giving with faith - it does not produce the same thing. It may help save a life even, but it may not help a "soul."
Likewise a Christian who hoards their faith and never gives или reaches out - who has faith in their сердце but produces nothing with it is barren and lifeless of fruit.
We can have faith and put it into our deeds- in all things.

It is about faith in believeing in God или not.
He created us and this world, then I think He can do what he wants & He gave us freedom to choose. The choice is ours. Really, it would be "self" condemnation then.
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 Well~ it isn't about good works. It's about faith * it's a gift. It's not like we can buy our way into Heaven. Good deeds/good works are their own reward. Doing what is right BECAUSE it is right does not have to have anything to do with God, (as I know plenty of nice agnostics and those of some other non-Christain religions). The Bible says that works without faith is dead, and faith without works is dead. This means we can give with a good intention and an open heart, sure, but we aren't giving with faith - it does not produce the same thing. It may help save a life even, but it may not help a "soul." Likewise a Christian who hoards their faith and never gives или reaches out - who has faith in their сердце but produces nothing with it is barren and lifeless of fruit. We can have faith and put it into our deeds- in all things. It is about faith in believeing in God или not. He created us and this world, then I think He can do what he wants & He gave us freedom to choose. The choice is ours. Really, it would be "self" condemnation then.
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so, is that a yes или a no?
coriann posted Больше года
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Ты do need both good works AND faith in order to enter the gates. There are plenty of passages in the Bible that state that Ты cannot get into Heaven on faith alone, either. I know Ты state that, but Ты seem to stress faith over works. They are equally important.
Cinders posted Больше года
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sometimes people do good things not because god tells them to, and not because they are trying to please god "buy their way into heaven" или because they are afraid of god, sometimes people do good things because they are good people with a good сердце and they really just care, not everyone does good things to please good, we do it because we are good people and i think that's the most noble thing anybody can do, and no it's not "self condemnation" no one here is trying to condemn themselves to hell look around, if we atheists knew we were going to hell we wouldn't even be atheists in the first place, we're atheists cause we really truly don't believe, someone can't just hide behind a corner, write a book and then expect everyone to believe in them, because Ты have to look at the facts, doubting thomas, he was a good man, doubt is good, skepticism is good, that's how we deal with crime, fraud, theft, liars, bogus goods and services, being skeptic isn't a sin it's a survival tactic and any god who would send a good person to hell is not one worth believing in
coriann posted Больше года
livetobefree said:
It's better to act like Иисус then claim u believe in him so I'm gonna say no
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agreed :) i think it's еще about what's in your сердце because no everyone has physical access to the word или to christianity, some people never heard anything about it
coriann posted Больше года
MineTurtle said:
"For it is by grace Ты have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" Ephesians 2:8 (NIV)

God saves us by grace, not works.
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posted Больше года 
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Ты can have grace and not be a christian, Ты can have God's Любовь in your сердце and not be a christians, personally my beliefs
coriann posted Больше года
natalierg said:
In the end, it's up to God. Hopefully they will find Him and His Son before that, though. I believe it's the сердце that matters most.
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MineTurtle5 said:
Well, I'm not God, but we all know that God is a God of second, third, fourth etc. chances. If they still reject Him, I don't really know what would happen. I mean, I firmly believe that God is a God of last chances, and I think He's еще concerned about what we do, not what we believe.
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LinkKinuzuma13 said:
If they remain "atheist" until the moment they die, then unfortunately they will go to hell. God saves us through his grace. The fact that his son died for them must be accepted in order for them to achieve salvation. It doesn't matter who Ты are или what kinds of things Ты do in your life - if Ты don't believe that Иисус died for your sins, then Ты will be denied eternal life in heaven.

But this doesn't mean that God hates them - not in the slightest! Gods Любовь is boundless and unconditional. If Ты killed someone, if you're a homosexual, if Ты commit fraud или theft, if Ты commit adultery, he still loves Ты and will forgive your sins if Ты ask to be forgiven.

They can only be saved through their own Любовь of Christ and what he did for them, the knowledge and acceptance of God's grace and Jesus' Любовь is what would set them free, not good deeds.
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posted Больше года 
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Ты can have grace and a good сердце and God's Любовь without believing, i may not be a christian, but i have many christians around me, i live in a part of the world where there are many different cultures and religions, and we all have to learn to live with each other, we have leaned not to be hostile to each other and to respect each other's beliefs, yes, christians still try to evangelize, but most people here that i know, believe in what's in you're heart, they believe god's Любовь can reside within Ты even if Ты are not christian
coriann posted Больше года
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To be honest, I've never heard someone tell it me like this before. But it's good that Ты still have the grace of God within you.
LinkKinuzuma13 posted Больше года
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But Ты also сказал(-а) Ты don't believe. I'm not going to elaborate еще on what that actually means, but I will pray for Ты because Ты seem like a nice person and have God's grace in your heart.
LinkKinuzuma13 posted Больше года
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im sorry, but Ты absolutely cant. good deed alone wont get Ты into heaven. Ты also need to have faith, and true beliefe in the lord.
loveofdelena posted Больше года
loveofdelena said:
not at all. its not for us to decide their fate. they believe what they believe in. and somewhere deep inside, they must believe in god, otherwise they would never have put his good works into practice.
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Why can't we do good works solely for their own sake? Purely to help others instead of an attempt to please God или because Ты fear some sort of retribution? This is just a variation of the "only religious people can have morals" argument, which has always been not just misguided but blatantly untrue. Good deeds for the wellbeing of others instead of the wellbeing of one's "afterlife" is true altruism, and belief in god has no bearing on it.
ThePrincesTale posted Больше года
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where do Ты think the want and the need to do good works comes from?? from us? i dont think so.
loveofdelena posted Больше года
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Ты don't sound judgemental at all, thanks for your perspective :) I try not to sound antagonistic either- I think this spot's one of the best for sharing opinions in a respectful manner, so kudos to Ты and all its members :)
ThePrincesTale posted Больше года
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