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Диснеевские принцессы For which of these traits would Ты not like Aurora
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Obviously our society is made up of millions of people who are connected and we do rely on others but in out personal, daily lives we can be independent in that we can make choices for ourselves. Taking advice and obeying the law is not bad obviously, I'm not saying that people have to be criminals and completely self-sufficient. It is your choice and decision to do what others ask, true, but if your like Aurora you will go along with everything that others will tell you even if you don't like it.
I don't think saying that someone is independence is harmful to society, even in college teachers will point out how getting an education helps you become more independent. My perception goes with what most people would think because everyone that I've ever asked and so many people online think that Aurora is not a very proactive character.
I love Audrey Hepburn and Mother Teresa was wonderful and girls should idolize them, not Miley Cyrus or some other women. I'm just saying that a character or person doesn't have to be super submissive in order to be seen as strong or a good role model. I never said that good women shouldn't be role models, of course they should but I'm just saying that those are real people so kids understand that they have flaws too they just work to better themselves but these types of characters are already seemingly perfect so you don't see much growth and development from them so in that respect they are not as realistic but that doesn't mean that they are good role models but i just think some of the other princesses are better role models and more interesting but we are entitled to like different character and traits, although I do like Aurora, she was once my favorite.
You should definitely aspire to that, I think you're not fully understanding what I've said before, sorry if I didn't choose the right words or if I didn't express myself that well. I don't see a lot of strength to Aurora's character compared to the other princesses but I do think she has some great traits. I don't think impulsiveness is great but it's not always horrible either and being outspoken is not bad, you seem pretty outspoken and I like that, you stand for your beliefs and you are good at defending yourself, my big problem with Aurora is that she never does that. I actually think we are more similar than it seems. I don't consider her the weakest character ever or anything but just not at the same level as the rest and I know that many people agree with me because I seen that in person and online, many people complain that she doesn't do much for herself but I actually defend her a lot because she isn't as bad as some people say. Actually I've met many people who hate her for being weak but I've defended her by telling them about her good qualities so I'm not an Aurora hater or anything but I'm not alone in thinking that compared to the more modern princesses she seems a bit more weak but I like the classics still, but you seem to attack rebelliousness, outspokenness and impulsiveness in all it's forms and that doesn't seem right to me either because I appreciate the good traits of all the princesses even when I don't like them as much. An outspoken and even impulsive woman can be strong, look at Susan B Anthony, Emmeline Pankhurst, Joan of Arc, and so many others, they were outspoken rebels and considered improper by many but they made there names known and made a difference, they carved a place out for themselves in history so I admire them. Audrey worked to make her dreams come true, they didn't just come to her and Mother Teresa worked to make a difference but it wasn't like she was just born perfect and spent all her days daydreaming. I don't know I see the good in people like Aurora and people like Merida equally and both can be good role models but you are entitled to your opinions.
Sometimes in life, people do have to deal with things they don't like. I dong agree with you that Aurora "will go along with everything that others will tell you even if you don't like it." If that were true, she would've stayed in the forest with Phillip since he said "Don't go" and she left anyways. I think you are painting her very incorrectly.
Since college is a business for profit and fulfills political agenda, I don't respect that as a legitimate example. I think a lot of what is taught in college today is harmful to society. Colleges today are teaching children to be intolerant and close-minded. Usually when college uses the word "independence", it just means "single" and I don't agree that just because you are single, you are better than everybody else. What they should teach in college is that your perception of what "most people" think is limited to your experience. What most people think in America is not what most people think in Japan or even England. What most people think in LA is not what most people think in New York. Most people you know think Aurora is not proactive. Most people that I know think Aurora is very graceful and strong. That's why it's not helpful to depend on perceptions of what "most people" think unless you have statistics to back it up or it's obvious like most people in America believe in freedom of speech. Saying "most people" from your personal experience comes off condescending because you are saying your personal experience is representative of most people when really it's just a small pool of people in America or on earth.
No one said a role model has to be super submissive to be seen as a good role model so again, I don't know where you are getting these ideas from? They're not coming from me because I never said such things. I have never once seen children pick out the flaws in Audrey Hepburn or Mother Theresa or say something like "She got upset one time so now I know she's a real human being". Children don't look for faults, adults do. I believe when one raises children, they are going to do their best to be on perfect behavior in front of their young children so they don't pick up bad habits. That's exactly the same concept with good role models. Since people are not perfect and people of high morals aren't as respected and appreciated in American media, it's nice to still have wholesome examples for children to see that aren't corrupt. I'm sorry but it's just my preference to show children innocent and wholesome good role models instead of looking for flawed role models that would be more likely to corrupt them by making them think the flaw is cool, accepted or desired.
Like I said, Snow White, Cinderella & Aurora were great role models to me growing up and they made me aspire to better myself because of the fact that they were so perfect and pure. Without them in my childhood, there weren't many consistent positive role models to look up to. I greatly value and appreciate these role models far more than the ones who are flawed because these are better examples to aspire to, in my opinion. They made me a better person. They made me deal with my abusive situations growing up so much better. I do not believe that they are "too perfect" to be role models. I think "too perfect" is what makes them better role models. Also in 1960, the majority of women in American society would never have said that the original 3 princess were "unrealistic" or "uncommon" because they weren't! These characters have grown to be more "uncommon" because of how society changed. That is why I find the word "unrealistic" offensive. It's like calling generations of women unreal even though they really did exist. Women like Walt's original 3 are real, they do exist and they have sadly gotten less common over the last 50 years because those traits that used to be highly valued in women were either lessened in value or abandoned altogether. Again, that makes them "uncommon" not "unrealistic". Frankly, there are some modern and renaissance princesses who are far more unrealistic in their characters and actions etc. than the original princesses but since they fit the American media's fantasy better, they don't get labeled that way.
I understand you don't see strength to Aurora's character but that doesn't change that I still see her as one fo the strongest DPs in the line up. I think her grace and poise is strength, it's inner strength and I admire it and respect it greatly. I strive to be even more like Aurora now than I did as a child because I value her even more now that I have gotten older. I see the wisdom, maturity, tact and character in not throwing tantrums for everything that doesn't go your way.
I never said you were alone in your opinion about Aurora nor that many agree with you. I am fully aware of that, I just don't think it gives you the right to assume "most people" feel that way without a proper consensus or specification. If you said "most people on this site", I'd find it more accurate but you just said most people in general and I don't think most people in America or Earth feel exactly that way about Aurora. Remember that America is very liberal compared to most of the world.
How do I seem to attack "rebelliousness, outspokenness and impulsiveness in all it's forms"? I'd love an example of how I have attacked those things in all their forms. I seem to recall saying in multiple polls that I don't see "rebelliousness" or "outspokenness" as flaws in their own rights so I would love to know where you are getting this idea from that I attack these traits? I mentioned impulsive in Belle's poll as one of her faults and I stick by it because it made her rash instead of thinking things through and finding the best solution. Even still, I don't see how that is "attacking" impulsiveness?
That's fine if you see Aurora and Merida as equal, I don't. If I had a choice between my daughter being graceful and obedient or classless and rebellious, of course I am going to choose the first one. I would not want my daughter to constantly disrespect me and run off while I have no idea where she could be if something were to happen to her. I suppose that's just the mother in me. I also believe that it's much easier to take someone like Aurora and "loosen her up a bit" then it is to take someone like Merida and try to reprogram her to value respect and courtesy. It's easier to give someone more freedom than they've ever had than to take some freedom away from someone who indulges in it, in my opinion. I just think very long-term about things not short-term.
I also believe that Aurora gets very unfair criticism simply because she represents older values in America. Aurora had 18minutes of screen time and Jasmine had 22minutes, which is only 4 minutes more. The difference is that Jasmine is constantly shouting and forcing her presence the whole time whereas Aurora's presence is far more pleasant (to me). I don't think less of a woman because she chooses not to be very outspoken. I admire the grace and self-control it takes to not have to speak on every subject. I (clearly) don't have that self-control to that degree and often feel the need to voice my opinion (but also it stems from an abusive background where I was never allowed to really give my opinion).
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