Jaime and Bronn at a Lannister-held castle; Game of Thrones season seven spoilers! 

It was only this morning that we got our first look at the final touches at Trujillo Castle before filming started. Now it has —And, despite the high walls, there is plenty to see! In the pictures from today’s shoot, you’ll get to see one of our favorite knight duos, Ser Jaime and Ser Bronn, standing watch over the walls of a Lannister held-stronghold.

Please consider the following contains season seven spoilers. You have been warned!

shared pictures of today’s filming. First, we can see Nicolaj Coster-Waldau, Jerome Flynn and the extras arriving:

Later, filming started and we can see Jaime and Bronn in their familiar getups. While their soldiers stand watch and work, the knights have a talk on the battlements:

‘s photos may go unnoticed, but it is quite revealing, as it shows Lannister men holding their flags, probably to plant them on the castle and mark their conquest:

All the evidence points to Trujillo Castle being a particular stronghold. The last photo paints a clear picture, especially if considered along with

reporting the soldiers were seen taking the barrels we previously saw in the caravans, which the Lannisters will use to take their booty from their enemy’s sacked stronghold… Only to then be fatally ambushed by a certain someone. We’ll have to wait and see if this location doubles as Casterly Rock (as we suspect might have happened with Almodóvar del Río), but there is now little doubt Trujillo Castle is being used for Highgarden’s walls.

The ambushed booty caravans. Photo: Francis Villegas / elperiodico.es

Nevertheless, the camera placement shows we won’t see more than the castle’s walls and courtyard in this scene. As usual, much of the stronghold will be “built” via CGI. What’s more, the show’s faraway castle panoramas are

entirely artificial, whether it is a matte painting or, now that they can afford it, a digital 3D model. If you need a visual cue of the stark difference between location and finished product, just take a look at Castle Ward Estate, where Winterfell was initially filmed. It doesn’t quite capture the ancient enormity of Winterfell, does it? Neither do Almodóvar or Trujillo capture the grandeur of Highgarden. Please, don’t be quick to judge a stronghold by its location!

travels at long last to nearby Malpartida, with three days at Las Breñas and

at Los Barruecos, for one of the season’s crucial sequences; The Lannisters will be returning to the capital with all the Highgarden treasures they “collected” in today’s shoot when the much-teased ambush against them will take place. Then, what are likely to be King’s Landing scenes will be filmed in the Old Town of Cáceres for about a week… And by Christmas the production will have left Spain!

Highgarden as depicted in HBO’s Game of Thrones Blu-Ray “Histories & Lore” series

So, despite initial reports of a three-day shoot at Trujillo, that likely included prep-time; Some crew members may stay to film actor-less scenes of the castle tomorrow, but Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Jerome Flynn have no time for another day’s work at Trujillo. Along with James Faulkner and perhaps others, they must go to Malpartida, where the longest and most exciting sequence shot in any of the Spanish locations awaits!

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The unidentified actor looks a lot like my original dream casting for Coldhands, Michael Wincott.

Ah, the Lannister soldiers holding flags do indeed point to HG… I wasn’t seeing it otherwise 😀

Yeah that’s what a friend said earlier. Hmmm. Wincott is Canadian, and we don’t see a lot of those working on GoT, but he’s also worked with HBO recently (on Westworld). There’s no evidence it’s him, as far as resumes go. Wondering if it’s just someone who looks like him?

I have no clue who the mysterious actor is but I suppose we’ll speculate on what character he could be playing… With his age and dress one would think he’s a bit more important than a simple soldier. He’s not wearing Lannister garb… He could be on the Tyrell side of things such as their army commander. Maybe they’d introduce a Tyrell relative for such a position, like Jon Fossoway or maybe a Redwyne… shrug.

Only Lannisters were involved in today’s shoot. If this is indeed an actor, he is part of the Lannister faction. I would say a commander Jaime leaves the castle to while he and Bronn return home… but that’s just an assumption.

or maybe he’s with Tarly, like say, Mathis Rowan.

Could the unidentified actor stand-in for a Tarly commander who will be left in charge of the castle?

From all the spoilers, it sounds like the taking of Casterly Rock and Highgarden will be mostly shot indoors in studios in N.I. Only a few establishing shots outside, and for HG especially. The big event will be The Ambush. I am now hoping that the ambush and the taking of CR occur simultaneously – showing the beginning of the downfall of the Lannisters.

Redwyne makes sense if they are going to show more naval scenes next season.

Well, if you zoom way in and count a bit of red around his neck, sure. What I was saying is that he’s not dressed like the standard Lannister soldier we see in the other shots.

So with your knowledge you know that they don’t hold any prisoners – everyone in the scenes they’re shooting are just Lannisters?

Bronn was promised a larger castle and a more beautiful wife.. Jaime sacks Highgarden.. Lord Tarly is ambitious and has a daughter.. HMMM…

My guess the actor (who isn’t Greg Wise but someone like him in age range) is playing Daven Lannister or Addam Marbrand. Could be Casterley Rock too. We don’t know.

Talla Tarly has already been promised to some dude (I don’t recall his name but it was mentioned); on the other hand she apparently doesn’t like that dude, so why not?

Ser Bronn, Lord of Highgarden…how cool would that be.

Simon Fossoway is what she said, and that “he has yellow teeth..”

Clob: So with your knowledge you know that they don’t hold any prisoners – everyone in the scenes they’re shooting are just Lannisters?

I imagine they’ll keep prisoners, or the matter may not be addressed. The assault itself seems to have been shot at Almodóvar (remember all those bloodied Tyrell soldiers?). This is the actual sacking. They’re taking everything that’s worth anything and stealing it away. By the time of the scene they filmed at Trujillo, I don’t think the Tyrell soldiers will be in play in any way.

Full of Turnips: Could be Casterley Rock too. We don’t know.

Just as Grey Worm being at Almodóvar made us think they might have filmed some Casterly Rock scenes as well as the Highgarden assault, because we’ve been told Grey Worm never goes to Highgarden, Jaime and Bronn being here means it’s not Casterly Rock. Characters will move pretty fast this season, but even then they don’t have time for everything. As far as our sources are concerned, neither Jaime nor Bronn are involved in any Casterly Rock scene.

stun: Why is Bronn still hanging out with Jaime?

Watch season six, episode seven, and find out. They lay it out quite clearly.

Ummm why doesn’t Bronn have any armor on him? Jaime’s is awesome as always but its ridiculous that they don’t give Bronn one if he’s in a full scale battle.

Ummm why doesn’t Bronn have any armor on him? Jaime’s is awesome as always but its ridiculous that they don’t give Bronn one if he’s in a full scale battle.

I don’t think Bron will be in a full scale battle at Highgarden. He will be in the ambush, but that battle is not expected. Knowing him, if he is involved in the taking of Highgarden, it will be a sneak attack. He’ll want to be agile. Remember Bronn’s big introduction, against Ser Vardis at the Eyrie? Bronn excels at being quick and taking advantage of the slowness of his armored enemies.

I understand, but even in the Eyrie duel he wore some sort of shirt sewn with steel discs, seeing him fight in a stylish modern jacket totally takes me out of the show and ruins the immersion. To be honest it’s one of my biggest gripes with the show especially since literally dozens of pages in the books are dedicated to descriptions of armors and weapons.

Assistant commander of some Lannister troops? Why is Bronn still hanging out with Jaime?

He’s a rogue, a mercenary assassin, the kind of guy who wants complete agility and stealth, in particular if the takeover of Highgarden involves a sneak attack.

Where have we seen him fight with his stylish jacket, anyway? Except training with Jaime and upon their arrival at Dorne, in the unexpected fight against the Dornish scouts, I can’t think of any time that happened. We didn’t see Bronn in the Almodóvar assault scenes, so we don’t even know if he was wearing armor.

I told you where to look for the answer. Jaime did his pitch as they arrived to Riverrun, as he had before. Money. A castle. A wife. Jaime may be slow to deliver, but it’s not like Bronn has better prospects than what he is offering.

Not cool at all…this means Lady Olenna is gone.

But hey, you know what…let them have HG for five seconds. Dany will come and a new FIELD OF FIRE will wipe out their forces…

I was thinking of the future IF he’s in the coming battle as you say, he might not be. Rogue, mercenary, assassin would still wear at least chainmail underneath a tunic and as I said in the source material everybody wears armor, but hey this is a show aimed at the masses and masses want style not realism, which is again a paradox as the show has removed many fantasy elements from the original work. I still stand by my words that costuming (armor and knightly stuff, not in general) is one of the weakest part of the show. Don’t misunderstand me I’m not hating just expressing my disappointment as I’m a huge nerd for that sort of stuff and the show hasn’t delivered at least for me.

Jaime offered Bronn command of half the Lannisters forces. Jaime told Bronn he cannot go to the highest biddder nowm that Bron is a knight swore to House Lannister.

IMO by the end Bronn will feel the tide chaning, will get tired of trying to educate Jaime in the ways of the world and will defect. Jaime, of course, will do the same…

anti-aircraft(anti-dragon). That high up you wouldn’t need that much angle to fire on the enemy below.

Bronn is as much or more of a hero than QoT. He served Tyrion and didn’t try to frame him for murder. QoT has some comeuppance to take, along with anyone else who conspired with Littlefinger.

I know what happened in episode 7. Jaime offered him a gig as assistant commander on top of a lordship, a castle and a wife. Apparently he might get one of those in season 7 if these pictures are anything to go by (the one he didn’t really ask for, mind you). But wouldn’t he at least try to defect back to Tyrion after hearing of his return? Tyrion’s HotQ now! He has things to offer. I think.

Yeah I get you. To each their own. I love the costuming in the show, because it’s creative, even if it’s unrealistic or anachronistic.

This is an aside, but too often, this kind of complaint sounds as meaningless to my ears as the rants about the lack of weapon realism in action movies by gun “aficionados.” There is a dry fruit-related word that may be more appropriate here, but I wouldn’t want to offend any gun nut —Oh well, see? I did it 😛

Not cool at all…this means Lady Olenna is gone.

But hey, you know what…let them have HG for five seconds. Dany will come and a new FIELD OF FIRE will wipe out their forces…

Really really gutted about this but I know she’ll go out with a bang. It’ll be shade-tastic and LEAK INFO:

if she does indeed go out Cleopatra style, were in for a treat.

Just hope she reveals to Jaime it was her and LF who killed Joffrey- could possibly spell trouble for LF as well as clearing Sansa and Tyrion.

So Nikolaj and Jerome are no more needed in trujillo? even the early report by you today said trujillo extended the scene with more extras (around 250) and more days of filming (until 19 nov). so will be more filming, just with the extras now in trujillo, is that it?

almovodar del rio is done, or still filming there? if is ended how many days of filming taked?

And, in the same early report by you today, some dates of los barruecos filming change AGAIN, now to 16 nov until 10 dec. so the filming of the battle starts tomorrow?

That’s because he eats his apples ripe, red and full of sugar.

GoT is more about the grey areas than heroes. Bronn and Lady Olenna are both experienced and cinical players, but HG is no prize to be given. Tyrells did not betray the Lanisters, they were killed by them. Cersei declared war on them, for what? Because she could not stand her in law.

No, Bronn does not deserce HG. He is serving a cruel Queen who basically is holding KL hostage…

Lady Olenna killed Joffrey because she knew better, the boy was mean and would end up hurting her granddaughter. She was never keen on this alliance, but her son was intent in having Margeary as Queen…

In conclusion, bronn and olenna are no angels, but HG will not remain Lannister for too long.

Aguero: So Nikolaj and Jerome are no more needed in trujillo? even the early report by you today said trujillo extended the scene with more extras (around 250) and more days of filming (until 19 nov). so will be more filming, just with the extras now in trujillo, is that it?

Earlier today I reported HOY’s claims of 250 extras and filming till the 19th, but made clear there were some doubts and conflicting reports. Now, as far as I know, tomorrow they may film without the actors, just to take shots of the castle. I don’t know if extras will be involved. Then that’s it for Trujillo.

Aguero: almovodar del rio is done, or still filming there? if is ended how many days of filming taked?

Aguero: And, in the same early report by you today, some dates of los barruecos filming change AGAIN, now to 16 nov until 10 dec. so the filming of the battle starts tomorrow?

Las Breñas and Los Barruecos are both in Malpartida. Earlier today I might have explained filming in Malpartida would start tomorrow, the 16th, and end the 10th of December. That includes the first three days at Las Breñas and the other three weeks at El Barrueco de Arriba 🙂

EDIT: Looking at the report, there was a typo. Las Breñas starts on the 16th, but I also wrote 16th for Los Barruecos. It’s 19. Sorry about that. Fixed!

We are not actually sure if the brief Las Breñas shoot is related to the large one at Malpartida, but that’s the popular assumption. They are very, VERY close.

oh i see now. but i find so weird the almovodar del rio being just one day, all the sources of wotw, L7r, spanish sites said would be if am no mistake a week or close to something like that. one day is really a shock to me, very weird.

and i hope , really hope this is a epic battle by daenerys and jaime sides,Emyllia said we will have a epic battle and the only one we will get on field will be this one, we have more extras and more horses than the BotB (500 extras against 400 extras of botb) (100 horses agains 40 horses of botb) and i get to know botb had 25 days filming, this 22, but the botb had more scenes than the battle itself, negociations by jon sansa and ramsay, tension, with rickon, some dialogue. The ambush is a surprise and in my vision we will only get the battle,no dialogue or other thing like in the field of BotB, and this can make this be the bisggest battle. yay.

now other question, we know or have some idea on how much Hbo will invest in season 7? like, they will pay the same as previous seasons for 7 episodes, i hope so. i really do.

I hope both Bronn and Jamie eventually defect from Cersei. We’ve all been waiting seasons for Jamie to wake up and see Cersei for what she really is, I know the show has yet to do it but perhaps they want to make it more impactful and that’s why they are waiting so long. I can’t help but wonder exactly how different it will be when Dany comes to Westeros in the books since Jamie is no longer on Cersei’s side.

Aguero: oh i see now. but i find so weird the almovodar del rio being just one day, all the sources of wotw, L7r, spanish sites said would be if am no mistake a week or close to something like that. one day is really a shock to me, very weird.

I guess all the reports mistakenly included prep-time, not just filming.

And yeah, the ambush will be epic. The Battle of the Bastards did take a few more days to film, but it was only a few; the number of extras for the ambush is apparently larger; and certainly there will be more horses involved.

Aguero: now other question, we know or have some idea on how much Hbo will invest in season 7? like, they will pay the same as previous seasons for 7 episodes, i hope so. i really do.

I’ve got no specifics, of course, but every season has costed more than the last. The reason they chose to do seven episodes was to afford the larger setpieces the story required. I would expect at least a small budget bump and the results on-screen to be MUCH more apparent, because of the fewer episodes.

Mel: I can’t help but wonder exactly how different it will be when Dany comes to Westeros in the books since Jamie is no longer on Cersei’s side.

That’s debatable. He ignores Cersei’s pleas for help and goes to help Brienne. That doesn’t mean he’s defected from his family… yet.

To be precise, BOTB had 500 extras (the same amount) and 70 horses.

The ambush will not take nearly as much screentime as the battle at Winterfell in season 6 itself. Most likely around 15 minutes. Much more will happen in that episode. It will not feature two locations only like 609 did. And it will be in episode 2 or 3, not the big penultimate one.

So if Almodovar was only a one day shoot then where the hell are they filming Casterly Rock? Isn’t there supposed to be an attack on the castle? Would it take one day to finish filming it?

Aguero, Also as per the article on BOTB I linked “To get a sense of how long this is, most TV dramas are shot in 8-to-12 days. And that’s for a full episode, whereas Thrones spent 25 days on this battle sequence alone (the sequence isn’t all fighting – there’s some sideline drama as well).” So you can see the battle itself took 25 days of filming

So if Almodovar was only a one day shoot then where the hell are they filming Casterly Rock? Isn’t there supposed to be an attack on the castle? Would it take one day to finish filming it?

If the assault on Casterly Rock is by sea, it will be filmed in their closed-off ship set (They redress it to look like every other ship in the show, but it’s always the same one.) Then there may be a few interior Casterly Rock sets as well, sure.

At any rate, we shouldn’t expect any assault on Casterly Rock to be an immense setpiece. The ambush near Highgarden? That one will be big, though not as much as the Battle of the Bastards. And, of course, then there’s that big thing beyond the Wall they’re now preparing in that Northern Irish set and later on location in Iceland. And the sea battle. There are plenty of big action sequences next season. Individually none of them may be as large as the Battle of the Bastards, but even just a few of them together will be, I bet.

The castle lost, Lannister soldiers pouring into the courtyard and the stairwells, Lady Olenna will be the last one left and she’s going out Scarface style. “Say hello to my little friend!”

I think Almodovar del Rio does capture the grandeur of Highgarden… only in miniature form. I hope they use it as their model for the final post-CGI-enlarged Highgarden. It’s a stunning castle as it is.

No, this information is wrong, im pretty sure there is a interview where the girl who actually brought and trained the horses says they had 40 horses. and with this information wrong i can say the 500 extras is wrong too, i read so many times in diverse sites would be 400 or 450 extras. And as you can read in your article the 25 day was not only battle, as i said too, there is no way they filmed 25 days of battle, if that the battle would be at least twice bigger, the ambush battle will probabaly only be battle and can make a bigger battle than BotB, of couse it wont have all the episode and a lot of other things will happen, but will be a really big battle and will end the episode. now that i said they have 7 episodes they can put even more money in episodes so don need to be episode 9 or 10 to be trully big.

Judging by his long face, lanky form, and how well he’s working that dress, I’m guessing that’s Littlefinger’s long-lost brother, Skeetyr Baelish.

ed: That high up you wouldn’t need that much angle to fire on the enemy below.

Given that this contraption appears to be for spewing barrels or something like that, they would. Remember, they would not have very strong hurling mechanisms, so to get barrel full of pitch or something like that a decent distance from the castle, they would need a decent angle.

If they were to have “anti-aircraft,” then it would be giant crossbows (ballista). Those look very different.

Priscila: GoT is more about the grey areas than heroes.

What it really comes down to is that SoI&F is a modern character-drama. The “Gray Areas” are what drive the story, as character dramas always are about some aspect of people realizing that they do not fully understand themselves. Heroes are for good vs. evil stories: a character might be “heroic” in a colloquial sense in a character drama, but we never get proper heroes in this sort of tale.

Hi Wimsey! Haven’t seen you here for a while. All good? [waving]

Apollo: Really really gutted about this but I know she’ll go out with a bang. It’ll be shade-tastic and LEAK INFO:

Yaaaasssss!!!! My exact thoughts :). I wonder what Cersei would say to that especially since LF openly declared for the Starks.

The castle lost, Lannister soldiers pouring into the courtyard and the stairwells, Lady Olenna will be the last one left and she’s going out Scarface style. “Say hello to my little friend!”

Judging by his long face, lanky form, and how well he’s working that dress, I’m guessing that’s Littlefinger’s long-lost brother, Skeetyr Baelish.

Littlefinger has already declared his support for House Stark, so the Lannisters are already against him now. Indeed, strictly speaking, once they realized that Baelish snookered them on the whole Northern mission, they’d probably have to assume he was colluding with Sansa from the start, so they may already assume his involvement; if not the innocence of the other people, obviously. Though Sansa and Tyrion being “cleared” really isn’t relevant now, anyway.

I have been thinking recently that maybe the cave (grotto) in Zumaia could have been used as an entrance into the Casterly Rock, instead of Dragonstone. As for now it seems that Dany will find Dragonstone empty or almost empty and encounter no resistance, which means that there will be no need for any surprise attack through some secret tunnels. Casterly Rock is a different story. And as for the cast, I think the Unsullied were seen in Zumaia that day, as well as Varys who could probably pass as an expert of all the secret passages in Westeros including CR (especially if Tyrion draws him a layout), however we got no leaked shots from that grotto, and moreover Dany and Jon were distracting paparazzi by playing with dragons in front of their cameras. So, what do you think: could it be possible?

Hmmm, nope. Since you mentioned the horse mistress, here’s the link of Camilla Naprous herself saying that they used 80 horses. https://youtu.be/B93k4uhpf7g?t=177

Also, i’m afraid that the many sites in which you’ve read that they had 400-450 extras are wrong as well. The battle required 500 extras, 600 crew members. The battle sequence itself plus the parlay did take 25 days to shoot. The other north-related scenes had nothing to do with the filming in Saintfield. Here’s another receipt: http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/16/game-thrones-battle-bastards-numbers

I don’t know where this pointless comparison with BoB is coming from, especially when there’s something else potentially even bigger and a lot more dramatic and meaningful (if the leaks are anything to go by) in the works. I have no doubts the ambush setpiece is gonna be great, but do we really have to keep comparing it with the battle from last season, nipticking every single thing one or the other had/have? At least wait until you actually see how the battle is going to play out, geez…

Luka Nieto: I told you where to look for the answer. Jaime did his pitch as they arrived to Riverrun, as he had before. Money. A castle. A wife. Jaime may be slow to deliver, but it’s not like Bronn has better prospects than what he is offering

I remember that scene – it ended with Bronn cutting Jaime off as Jaime was about to say the famous “Lannisters always pay their debts” line.” Bronn said, “Don’t say it, don’t fucking say it.” I laughed. But there was something else in that passage that I remember that struck me as odd. Bronn said knights don’t get paid. Don’t they? They serve for free? Does anyone else remember that? Jaime also commented about him being the head of the whole Lannister army – there were already 8000 at Riverrun supposedly, so just how big is the army supposed to be?

Can’t you read with comprehension? It says 25 days for the filming of battle ALONE. So no side scenes during that time. Just raw battle. And yes, 500 extras and 70 horses. EW is not the only source of that information, and they’re reliable, they’re HBO’s mouthpiece. Give it up, don’t try to deny facts to prop up some ambush (not an actual battle) because it may involve Dany.

“Lady Olenna … was never keen on this alliance, but her son was intent in having Margeary as Queen…”

You know, I have never bough what the Queen of Thorns said in KL: she said what she had to, but that goes against everything we know about her position in the Tyrell family. Olenna kept her son under her thumb and treated him only a little bit better that Randyll treated Sam or Tywin treated Tyrion, and taking into account that Mace’s survival strategy was playing a fool I can’t believe he did anything without his mother’s approval. Or course, Olenna loved her grandchildren and encouraged their ambitions and from what we know it was Loras who started it all by talking Renley into aspiring the Iron Throne (in order to improve his own position obviously). Margeary was also totally on board: that little whore was ready to sell her pretty body to anyone who could help her to ascend to the throne and become “the queen”. And who have mentored her to act that way? Of course, her granny: we saw a bit of that mentoring on screen too. So, I believe that it was Margeary and Loras who came up with the plan of getting onto the throne primarily because their granny taught them to pursue their ambitions selling their bodies and souls for that, if needed, and that she was behind all of their plans which eventually claimed their lives and that of Mace.

According to the leaks Olenna will have to pay her price too, but what I wonder is whether the alleged treason of Randyll Tarrly and/or some of her other men will be the result of some of her earlier or current actions? We know that she despised and never missed an opportunity to humiliate her son and late husband she chose herself BTW, so men like Randyll Tarly could have been quite pissed about that. Moreover there is a big possibility that Randyll used to or will get some verbal bashing from Olenna himself which could become a motivation for his treason or rather his rebellion against her oppressive matriarchy. We’ll see how it plays and whether it plays, but I won’t be surprised, if Randyll gets some whitewashing/redemption before Dany burns him and his son to ashes.

Thanks for the comparison of “Winterfell” pre and post production. Movie magic, if you will, is just fascinating. Side note: I know it’s not, but something about the second picture makes it look like someone photoshopped Bronn and the food/coffee into the set image. Maybe its a combination of the graininess, and his medieval fatigues mixed with modern crew.

At this point, if Jamie and bronn have not defected and take highgarden, survive the ambush while actually showing an ability to fight back against dragons, and attend the dragon pit meeting staying on her side then there is no evidence I can imagine that makes them defect. It would be strange to defect with like 6 episodes left, and really not needed. My thinking is if the threat becomes a point where literally everyone else is fighting the others and Jaime wants to take a chunk of the army and help then he can, without a need for the disowning of his house, which at this point seems to be his main reason for not betraying her. There’s no threat to his sister in that moment if he leaves.

“Littlefinger has already declared his support for House Stark, so the Lannisters are already against him now.”

Yes, but Littlefinger still has a chance to “redeem” himself by turning tables on the Starks and bringing Sansa or her head to Cersei. I hope and believe he fails, but that doesn’t mean he won’t try.

“Though Sansa and Tyrion being “cleared” really isn’t relevant now, anyway.”

Again we don’t know. It may have some influence on Jaime especially, if Olenna tells him that Tywin knew the truth all along: it’s legit to assume that he indeed was able to connect the dots and was OK with the fact that silly and uncontrollable Joffrey was taken out, so that may change Jaime’s attitude to the fact that Tyrion killed Tywin. As for Cersei, it won’t change much: she hated the Starks and the Tyrells, even when they acted as more or less loyal supporters of her family. However, this revelation may help her to fake her willingness to agree on the armistice and to seek compromise in the face of the WW threat. In may also push her to reveal something about Littlefinger’s doings to the Starks which will lead to his demise. In fact, the leaks gave almost no info about the Littlefinger’s story next season: him playing Sansa against Arya was rather a guess, than a fact, and though it’s possible that Littlefinger will be taken out by the joint efforts of the Stark children including Bran, it would be rather poetic, if Cersei brings her input as well.

So when will Emilia be back to filming the ambush scenes ? She said at the emmys that she has to film a huge battle in season 7.Can we expect to see here there any day now ?

IMO you should consider one crucial point: Cersei’s pregnancy. As far as I understand it, Jaime won’t be fighting for Cersei anymore: he will be fighting for the future of their unborn child, because, though Jaime had kept distance with his children before, he definitely cared for them and he began to discover the joys of fatherhood in two recent seasons. So, it’s legit to assume that the prospect of having another child after losing the three older ones will be the major game-changer for him and provide the motive not only to fight against Cersei’s enemies (Dany and co.), but also to seek compromise with them in the face of the WW threat and he will push Cersei towards that too.

However, I have a feeling that Cersei will see that as a treason. IMO, she won’t be having a miscarriage: she will be having an abortion. She used to love her children once, but for her that love never “felt good”: it was a burden much more that it was a joy and moreover all of her children betrayed her (Joffrey by neglecting her, Myrcella by falling in love with Trystane Martell, and Tommen by choosing the divine Mother over his natural one). So, IMO Cersei will use her unborn child to keep Jaime by her side, but as soon as that child turns into a liability, she will chose an abortion which will make a perfect conclusion to her self-destructive arch. And Jaime will get his punishment which will conclude his arch (or at least the major section of his arch) as well. So, under such circumstances defection (probably leading to the Valonqar prophecy in S8) could make sense.

GoT is more about the grey areas than heroes. Bronn and Lady Olenna are both experiencedand cinical players, but HG is no prize to be given. Tyrells did not betray the Lanisters, they were killed by them. Cersei declared war on them, for what? Because she could not stand her in law.

No, Bronn does not deserce HG. He is serving a cruel Queen who basically is holding KL hostage…

Lady Olenna killed Joffrey because she knew better, the boy was mean and would end up hurting her granddaughter. She was never keen on this alliance, but her son was intent in having Margeary as Queen…

I do not completely agree with this. While it is true that Cersei’s own paranoia was one of the biggest reasons for her actions against the Tyrells, it is not true that the Tyrells did nothing to instigate her to war. Ever since they entered into an alliance with the Lannisters, Margaery tried her best to turn Joffrey against Cersei. They chose to play this game out of their own volition, before any provocation by Cersei herself. And then killed Joffrey. It was not like Margaery was forced to marry him. They chose this marriage because they wanted power, that’s it, and then Joffrey had to be killed. The fact that Joffrey was a monster does not change the fact that he was killed without any provocation.

I highly doubt the possibilty of any scenario where Mace Tyrell is able to exert his will over Olenna and Margaery lol. Just because Olenna says that it was her son’s wish for Margaery to be queen does not mean that it was really so. Anyways, from the Lannisters/ POV, it does not matter whose ambition within the Tyrell family led to Joffrey losing his life.

And then after Joffrey’s death, Margaery once again tried to turn Tommen against his mother. Tommen was much more easier to influence than Joffrey and they all (Cersei and the Tyrells) wanted total control over the king. She would have succeeded in having Cersei banished to Casterly Rock, if she had not been arrested by the FM.

Of course none of this changes how stupid, near-sighted, crazy and dangerous Cersei herself is. It’s also true that Cersei was willing to go to an extent they themselves never would have. But it’s also true that they came into this game with their eyes open. If Cersei hadn’t done them in, they would have done Cersei in. So if they are in this situation, it is also because they chose to play the game against the Lannisters.

So if Jaime now takes control of Highgarden, well it’s fair game. If he wants to give the castle away to Bronn, he isn’t under any obligation towards the Tyrells to stop him from doing that, especially not if Olenna admits that she poisoned Joffrey.

We tend to root for the Tyrells over the Lannisters because they are the more sympathetic characters. But if you enter into the war, you stand the risk of losing everything.

That’s not the leaker on reddit said. He said that Cersei finds out (after Qyburn’s examination) that she is pregnant, early in the season and tells Jaime immediately. The leaker didn’t mention anything else related to pregnancy or Cersei-Jaime relationship (but he said that Euron keeps trying to convince Cersei that he would be a great husband for her) except that in the finale Cersei tells Jaime that she lied in the Dragonpit and won’t help them but let WW and her rivals destroy each other instead, and this puts Jaime off, he is disgusted by her and starts riding his horse to north alone…Then the leaker said that Cersei’s last scene in the finale is that she wakes up in a bed soaked with blood and starts screaming (he said that it can mean that she miscarries there). That’s all. Obviously this is not abortion.

No, Jaime will abandon Cersei and defect, that’s the whole point of his story. He will choose Brienne and ally with Jon and Daenerys, it has always been obvious that this was Jaime’s endgame.

The leaker said that in the finale Cersei says that she lied to others and actually wants them all to be destroyed, and after this Jaime is disgusted by her, abandons her and rides to north alone…the leaks didn’t mention any armies, it said Jaime will abandon her and go to north (after Brienne, who is in KL in the finale)

It’s just another stage in the Jon Vs Dany Fan Battle lmao. People want to compare everything, the budget of this ambush vs BotB, the number of extras, the number of horses, the number of filming days….

aeris: Give it up, don’t try to deny facts to prop up some ambush (not an actual battle) because it may involve Dany.

The term “ambush” does not reflect on the size of the fight. It’s just a tactic. Yes, this ambush is an “actual battle”… in which one side ambushes the other. It will be smaller than BOTB, but not by much. Almost as many extras, likely more horses, and a shorter shoot only by a few days. It will come close.

Ok. i was wrong. But this dont have nothing of being a dany fan. I like jon and many others much more. I just want to see big battles. And i don’t think at all that dany army will massacre Jaime s. The ambush probably will turn to a battle.

You were wrong in the specifics, but right overall. He’s wrong in his whole conclusion the ambush won’t be a proper battle. You don’t need more than four hundred extras and almost a hundred horses, not to mention 22 filming days, for just a quick ambush. It will be a large action setpiece —You know,

Well, I wouldn’t be surprised, if Cersei wakes up screaming: if you google, you will find tons of such post factum “screams” on the web and elsewhere, not to mention that physically abortions/miscarriages are painful as hell too. The leaker is not privy to all the details of the plot after all, and with Euron hanging around it’s hard to imagine Cersei not considering her pregnancy as a complication: it will give her leverage to control Jaime, but if she goes on with a happy twincest family scenario, it’s obvious that Euron will quit. And Cersei might be compelled to chose Euron over Jaime. So, just speculating.

I first thought the mystery actor was Mark Rylance but I think your right on the money gewa76!

I suppose so ..who else is there to compare when it comes to having a battle whether it is full episode or half the episode . we don’t have anyone else to compare to other than jon do we .

maybe people for a change would like to see other characters for once get a whole episode worth of screentime and have battles somewhere different when it will be the final chance to do so before the war of dawn and winter comes down

So when hearing the news of the shooting days and amount of extras and horses being used people get exited they get that .

Apparently he or she must be new so they don’t know this is always the same in the past years and this sequence will not be that big

Anyone remember photos of the Harpys killing nobles outside meereen or that of the report that dothraki filming in the closed farm in Ireland ..I was exited that this will be very big sequence and you guys know how this two scene ended up in the show..

I think the ramp on the wall are intended for shooting barrels filled with wildfire, after dragons. It also fits with Jamie , have barrels with when he travel. Wildfire are House Lannister most powerful weapon right now.

*waves back* Busy. Very busy. Then Cubs.

Also, my favorite part of this sort of thing is now really impossible: discussing how best to adapt a story from one medium to another! Without knowing this, it’s really really tough to guess what these snippets of information might mean.

But why would Cersei give up on her last chance (she is like 42 in the show) to have an heir? Even if it’s a burden a queen should have an heir, I doubt that she wants to die without an heir, she would like to see her child become the king after she dies. If she dies without heir, that means that her house loses the throne, I think she would like to see her House keep ruling (she even changed the ornament behind the throne to a lion according to spoilers). So I think she will be happy when she learns that she is pregnant, especially because she will think that she will beat the prophecy given to her (the valonqar prophecy also said that she will have 3 children and all will die).

But I agree that she would like to keep Euron around, I don’t think she would consider marrying Jaime, and if she wants the heir it would be better to marry someone and claim the child is his, I think (actually in the books it’s not even likely that the baby is Jaime’s, but the show can make it Jaime’s I guess). So maybe in the books she will agree to marry Euron, perhaps hiding her pregnancy from him if it’s in early stages, thinking that she could claim it’s his etc. This is also just pure speculation, though. But according to leaks Euron quits in the finale anyway, he goes back to his island when he hears that the wights can’t swim, according to the leaker, so they don’t marry. I think if the leaker is right and it will be Cersei’s last scene, the screams in a bloody bed just means that she lost everything…both Jaime and Euron abandoned her, and now her last hope for an heir is gone too, proving the prophecy.

The Sandstone colour makes it look like Casterly Rock

The lighter White Stone would fit my perception of Higharden

And they are mixing the location ala Braavos and KL last season?

Really dig the adjustments to the Lannister armour, eg the Black additions

ghost of winterfell: And then after Joffrey’s death, Margaery once again tried to turn Tommen against his mother.

It is a subtle distinction (and one that would be completely lost on Cersei), but what Margaery really was trying to do was turn Tommen

(Margaery). This need not have been for or against Cersei per se, save that Cersei is the sort of individual who sees everyone as being against her.

Sean C.: Littlefinger has already declared his support for House Stark, so the Lannisters are already against him now.Indeed, strictly speaking, once they realized that Baelish snookered them on the whole Northern mission, they’d probably have to assume he was colluding with Sansa from the start, so they may already assume his involvement; if not the innocence of the other people, obviously.Though Sansa and Tyrion being “cleared” really isn’t relevant now, anyway.

Well it is relevant, particularly for Jaime as he would have proof of his brothers innocence which may make him more receptive to any conversation he may have with Tyrion in future. And similarly for Cersei with Sansa/House Stark (albeit less likely as she’s crazy)

We haven’t yet seen Cersei’s reaction to LFs betrayal (unsure we even will) but my point is- this could be the key to LFs downfall. Everyone assumes that it’ll be Sandor revealing LFs betrayal of Ned in S1, but I’ve never bought that as it’d be expecting the audience to remember that far back. The fact TBWOB

will likely be beyond the wall next season

All that’s needed is one raven from the Red Keep to Winterfell explaining LFs mission to take Sansa’s head. Although the show missed the boat already on that front as Brienne could easily have been told by Jaime in S6.

Maybe. However I think Cersei is pretty rogue at this point. In no way is she supposed to even be on the throne right now. Her kids weren’t supposed to die as well but here we are. I could see where all she cares about is stamping out any detractors and taking revenge on her prior enemies regardless if she has anymore viable progeny to continue the family reign.

Margaret was trying to turn Tommen against Cersei. She even tried to get him to send her to Casterly Rock, by implying there was nothing left for her (Cersei) in KL ( I don’t remember her exact words here) and that she would be better off at CR.

Apollo: We haven’t yet seen Cersei’s reaction to LFs betrayal (unsure we even will) but my point is- this could be the key to LFs downfall. Everyone assumes that it’ll be Sandor revealing LFs betrayal of Ned in S1, but I’ve never bought that as it’d be expecting the audience to remember that far back.

If that is the route that they go, then they will remind the audience in the “previously on” GoT part. They have gone back to scenes from the first season more than once.

That written, LF’s final fate will come down to one of the primary protagonists, and most probably Sansa: she is, after all, the lead character for whom LF has been the a foil most often. Given the nature of the story, we can bet that it will be a situation where both embracing and killing LF will seem “right” at the time for completely different reasons. We saw that last year: Sansa’s rejection of LF would have felt “right” because of her anger and also because she didn’t realize that dogs’ loyalties were not blind but dependent upon being treated well; on the other hand, taking his offer would have been a quick and effective way of raising an army that could defeat the Boltons. She later had to eat crow and repeat this choice.

The next two years will be a different story (presumably), so the crux of the dilemma probably will be different. But look for Sansa to choose the less savory of the options: and under a lot of scenarios, that will mean keeping LF alive.

Again, it is a subtle distinction. Margaery was trying to turn Tommen towards her. Part of turning Tommen towards Margaery meant steering him away from Cersei: but that was to achieve the goal of getting Tommen under Margaery’s thumb. If Cersei had been a different person, then this tactic would not have been part of Margaery’s strategy.

Margaery is one of my most favorite characters, she did try to do some shaming to Cersei, but Cersei’s madness is above that. She brought HS and everything Jaime on the other hand doesn’t own anything to Olenna, he tried to help her grandchildren.

I imagine that in his mind Sansa killing Joffrey was justified because Joffrey was a mad man who made her suffer.

What he has to face now is learning that the Mad King’s daughter is coming back with his borther who killed their father, the women who poisoned his daughter in front of him and killed their own family aligned with Olenna who just learned that killed his son combined with a bunch of foreigners who attack his home.

Wimsey: If that is the route that they go, then they will remind the audience in the “previously on” GoT part.They have gone back to scenes from the first season more than once.

That written, LF’s final fate will come down to one of the primary protagonists, and most probably Sansa: she is, after all, the lead character for whom LF has been the a foil most often.Given the nature of the story, we can bet that it will be a situation where both embracing and killing LF will seem “right” at the time for completely different reasons.We saw that last year: Sansa’s rejection of LF would have felt “right” because of her anger and also because she didn’t realize that dogs’ loyalties were not blind but dependent upon being treated well; on the other hand, taking his offer would have been a quick and effective way of raising an army that could defeat the Boltons.She later had to eat crow and repeat this choice.

The next two years will be a different story (presumably), so the crux of the dilemma probably will be different.But look for Sansa to choose the less savory of the options: and under a lot of scenarios, that will mean keeping LF alive.

I lean towards Sansa ultimately being the cause of LF’s downfall. Aside from Sandor Clegane heading in her direction, LF made a critical mistake in 610 (that I will get to in a moment). Sansa overlooked LF’s involvement in the deaths of Joffrey and Lysa because it suited her, and because LF’s actions ultimately benefited her; Joffrey’s death got her out of KL and Lysa’s prevented Sansa from being thrown out the Moon Door. She will not overlook involvement in the betrayal and death of her father in the same way. Sandor Clegane has always been truthful to Sansa – sometimes brutally so – and she said herself in 209 that she knew he would not harm her. She knows he was the one that Cersei sent to fetch her in 108, and therefore he has some knowledge of the events in the throne room.

As for the mistake LF made in 610 – he told Sansa what he wanted, giving her power over him. In 404, on the ship to the Vale, LF told Sansa that knowing what a person wants tells you who they are and allows you to move them (as a piece on the board); in telling Sansa what

wants, LF has given her the power to manipulate and move him. I think she will try and use him to her own advantage in season seven (in spite of the fact that in 610 he was clearly still trying to manipulate her by playing on her feelings regarding Jon and WF) but I think that ultimately Sansa will be the cause of LF’s downfall.

Alba Stark: I think that ultimately Sansa will be the cause of LF’s downfall.

Ah, but we should not assume LF’s downfall must happen. This is not a “good” vs. “evil” story, and LF is far from “evil,” anyway. I think that the only things on which we can count is that: 1) LF’s fate will depend heavily on the decisions of one of the main characters; and, 2) whichever decision that main character makes will be derided by some as “stupid” or “unrealistic,” etc., because the derider would have made the other choice. GRRM loves to put his characters through multiple Kobayashi Maru tests, after all!

Query: Is Littlefinger’s involvement in the conspiracy against Ned Stark really that much of a secret? He held a dagger to Ned’s throat in front of a throne room filled with people.

It is a power struggle, yes, but there are two scenes that completely back up my impressions:

1) A talk between Cersei and Twyn: Cersei is basically complaining that Twyn never shares information with her, that she is the only of his children that listens to him. One of her complaints to him is that the ” whore of HG” is influencing Joffrey. “Good” Tywin says…he goes on to exlplain that influencing a husband is EXACTLY what a wife should do. Hinting that Cersei failed in doing so to Robert, but that he would only respect Margeary to suceed.

2) Olenna and Twyn are discussing the wedding. Olenna says that ” The Oaf Lord of HG” was intent in getting their Margeary the queenship.

There are plenty of mentions of how Mace was very happy about playing second fiddle to Twyn along the way.

Also, Cersei threatened to KILL Margeary just because she commented on the weddings that would make them ” sisters”.

No, the taking of HG is not fair game, sorry. The Tyrells died precisley because they were playing the game by its rules; Cersei just came out of nowhere and changed the rules TWICE to bring an end to the same Alliance who kept her sons in the Throne : she gave the power to the HIgh Sparrow and framed Margeary, and , when Margeary simply outdone her, she killed THOUSANDS…

You see, the Tyrells would have stayed in this Alliance had Twyn lived, because he knew better. Once he was gone, Cersei did everything to take them out, YES, just because she was a jealous mother, who could not bring herself to let their children grew out of her influence sphere.

Sansa seems to be his weak spot. He already revealed his goal which was a mistake to her and now she has the upper hand ultimately. So somehow she’ll be able to expose him because don’t think LF is there in season 8. It seems like we might shift from political players to supertnatural element. How does he fit into this? Also, LF needs to pay for his betrayl of Ned Stark. He’s at his castle, with his daughter.

Which new wife would want the psychotic Mother in Law to hang around the house ALL THE TIME?

I honestly think LF is toast at the end of this season. He has no part in the Great War to come and I agree his shelf life has been extended somewhat in order to cause some more mischief next season (he should really have been taken out at end of last season IMO).

His death has been very heavily foreshadowed in his scene with Ollena- where she threatens to blow the whistle if she is in any way under threat- and she now has nothing to lose

I’m predicting that’s exactly what’ll happen next season if/when LEAK INFO

she bows out with a goblet of Joffrey red after spilling the beans to Jaime

As I said- Sandors knowledge is fairly inconsequential in all of that- recent events concerning LF are way more relevant to his downfall.

Be sure of one thing: Randyl Tarly will try a power grab and alliance with the Lanisters. He will die a traitor´s death for that.

Query: Is Littlefinger’s involvement in the conspiracy against Ned Stark really that much of a secret? He held a dagger to Ned’s throat in front of a throne room filled with people.

I never could quite figure out why people think no one but Sandor knows this. Sure, many were killed, but many weren’t, and not all stay loyal. Heck, Sandor didn’t, and he was the first to draw his sword.

Mind you, I also think it would be at least mildly hypocritical for Sansa to be calling out anyone for betraying Ned, but people pick what suits them. 😉

Mind you, I also think it would be at least mildly hypocritical for Sansa to be calling out anyone for betraying Ned, but people pick what suits them

What is that smell? Who dragged that dead horse in here?

That is a good question. What if instead of Cersei, Tommen’s mother had been a decent, but ambitious woman who wanted a say in her son’s affairs. How would Margaery have dealt with her?

Oh I am not defending Cersei. She is the mad queen, she herself is responsible for whatever has befallen her and her children. And I love Margaery, she is one of my favorites too. My point was that the Tyrells were not just some innocent victims of the Lannisters and that they willingly chose to play the game.

Flora Linden: What is that smell? Who dragged that dead horse in here?

I don’t care for her, but I wouldn’t call her a dead horse. ☺

Geralt of Rivia: It seems like we might shift from political players to supertnatural element.

The resolution of the Walkers vs. R’hllor vs. humanity will be very political, and it will echo the resolutions of the war for Westeros. In particular, the art of compromise, and when the needs of the few (or even the one) equal those of the many will be key issues.

This is not that kind of story. GRRM’s universe is not one with any sort of Instant Karma: bad deeds will go unpunished. In the end, it probably will depend on whether Sansa recognizes that LF’s potential for future “bad deeds” is more use to her than is killing him or leaving him to die, or something like that.

Priscila: Be sure of one thing: Randyl Tarly will try a power grab and alliance with the Lanisters. He will die a traitor´s death for that.

And why should we be certain of that? I would think it much more probable that he will bide his time and side with Daeny once she returns.

Apollo: His death has been very heavily foreshadowed in his scene with Ollena- where she threatens to blow the whistle if she is in any way under threat- and she now has nothing to lose

How does that foreshadow LF’s death? And to whom does Olenna blow a whistle? Daeny certainly is not going to care that LF helped euthanize Joffery, and she probably will be indifferent to LF’s actions in Ned Stark’s downfall given her antipathy towards the Starks. Cersei will learn eventually that LF played her badly in order to take Winterfell (even if it did not turn out as LF obviously hoped!).

ghost of winterfell: What if instead of Cersei, Tommen’s mother had been a decent, but ambitious woman who wanted a say in her son’s affairs. How would Margaery have dealt with her?

Margaery would have been the gracious and grateful daughter-in-law who would have used flattery and hints to convince this alternate mother-in-law that Margaery’s schemes were actually the mother-in-law’s schemes! Or, who knows: they might simply have wound up with common agendas and simply gotten along like a church on fire. Oh, wait: bad phrase….

GoT used to be more about the grey areas than heroes.

Okay, here is the deal with Tarly being NOT on Team Dany:

Stannis makes comments about Tarly being the only guy who defeated Robert during the rebellion, but Mace taking the credit. We know that The Reach has strong inner rivalries and now the Tyrell´s are gone. Westeros has been at war for years and now what remains from the Tyrells is old Lady Olenna, who is actually supporting Dany´s cause. From what we know from the leaks, Tarly will die by Dragonfire. Again, Lady Olenna is on Dany´s side; if tarly would be following his Liege, why would he die a traitor´s death? Dany is very, very sensitive to treason, and she often emplyes the ” burning the general” as a tactic.

Therefore, knowing Tarly is supposed to not be in very good terms with the Tyrells, and knowing that he dies like a traitor, by Dany´s hand, I feel he betrays Lady Olenna, gets into an alliance of the Lannisters and pays with his life.

I just want to write that I really enjoy reading your take on future events as well as the people who inhabit the world of ice and fire. You seem to have a deep understanding of who these people are and from there you can speculate about their future choices.

This is not that kind of story.GRRM’s universe is not one with any sort of Instant Karma: bad deeds will go unpunished.

Believe me, I so wish you were right but sadly nothing we’ve seen in the past season or S7 leaks really supports this. GoT used to be grounded, severe and complex, yes, absolutely.

But that seems to’ve gone out the window with its monumental success and popularity; as sickening as it is, the show now absolutely does and will resort to pandering and correcting injustices.

It just seems the story isn’t what it claimed it was and I guess that’s precisely why so many of us feel cheated and are taking the shift so personally.

This is not a “good” vs. “evil” story, and LF is far from “evil,” anyway.

Littlefinger is a sociopath who has deliberately started a war that brought about the deaths of many thousands of people purely for his own advancement. He’s murdered benefactors and people who trusted him, is a sexual predator (as well as a sex trafficker), and on and on the indictment goes. He is evil. I don’t see how that’s even arguable; what exactly makes him not evil?

GRRM is not a nihilist or otherwise amoral (as his own political pronouncements in the real world show), and his stories aren’t either. Doing good is not easy (either in discerning it or executing it), nor always rewarding for the people doing it, but as he himself said, his heroes are the people who try to make the world a better place — some succeed, some fail, most have a mixture of the two. Littlefinger is not one of those people.

All that’s needed is one raven from the Red Keep to Winterfell explaining LFs mission to take Sansa’s head.

That wouldn’t undermine him at all, seeing as he clearly didn’t do it. Indeed, that he manipulated the Lannisters to let him take the Vale Army north is probably already known.

Yes, but Littlefinger still has a chance to “redeem” himself by turning tables on the Starks and bringing Sansa or her head to Cersei. I hope and believe he fails, but that doesn’t mean he won’t try.

He really doesn’t. He’s already betrayed Cersei; she’d have no reason to trust him. Moreover, what precisely would he gain by doing this? He’d ruin his standing in both the North and the Vale, and be left with nothing. The arrangement he struck with Cersei was never anything more than a means to postpone his breach with her; it would never have allowed him to actually rule the North, which Cersei didn’t understand, or else she’d have been more suspicious of it.

Not sure why Knights don’t get paid. Someone would have to explain that. But the Lannister army is not small, probably the second biggest stand alone army in Westeros (behind Tyrell’s) so they could be on the verge as the biggest. The show doesn’t mention it but the books do a good job explaining about new Lannister armies being trained since Robb Stark kept whipping them. The Lannisters are continuously training soldiers.

Wimsey: The resolution of the Walkers vs. R’hllor vs. humanity will be very political, and it will echo the resolutions of the war for Westeros.In particular, the art of compromise, and when the needs of the few (or even the one) equal those of the many will be key issues.

D&D have already said that the Night King is a ruthless murder machine with no choice in what he’s doing. I don’t see that a compromise is in the offing there.

Wah,wah,wah,the show is’t going the way i wanted to go in my head so it’s not as cool anymore . Anyway when you judge a show based on some leaks your opinion is not worth taking seriously .

Sean C.: D&D have already said that the Night King is a ruthless murder machine with no choice in what he’s doing.I don’t see that a compromise is in the offing there.

I never understood the argument that a truce would have to be worked out with the Night’s King. How would that work out? We send babies your way every month a la Craster and you don’t destroy the rest of humanity.

The Night’s King is the physical embodiment of Death, he was created for the sole purpose of eliminating the human thread to the Children. His existence is unnatural, his continued existence disrupts the natural order of things. Whatever will be required of Team Life, they will have to destroy him, because he was never meant to be in the first place. Death comes for everyone, because your old or sick or get murder. That’ll happen anyway, having an additional source of death that consumes humanity is disruptive to the cycle of life, in fact it may very well eliminate it all together.

So, yeah, I don’t think it’s about compromise its about restoring order. Because restoring order won’t stop people from being selfish or from killing each other or from just being people. It’s not going to make everything shiny and pretty. When everything is said and done our heroes will have to contend with a world that has been ravished by war and an ice apocalypse. A bleak but hopeful future.

Oh, you meant the Sansa/Sandor BS that’s floating around again after a lovely break. I agree! 👍

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