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posted by SpecialAgentKat
*I used to like Twilight until I started really Чтение it and it seemed like the еще I heard или read into it, the еще negative things I would find. This is coming from an unbiased point of view; Me being a Фан of Harry Potter has nothing to do with my opinion.


Why I hate Twilight and think it is a bad example of love:
•     Bella is incredibly disrespectful, insensitive, and rude to her own parents. She even calls them by their first names. She thinks her dad is a ‘dumb*** and constantly says he can’t look after himself and she calls her own mother an idiot all because Renee (her mom) was enjoying planning Bella’s wedding. Seriously; It’s quite rude considering they Любовь her and just wants to make sure she is безопасно, сейф and happy.
•    Bella is way too needy, clingy, and dependent on her first boyfriend. Seriously, she doesn’t do anything without consulting him and she wants to be with him FOREVER without really realizing what she’s agreeing to.
•    When Edward breaks up with her, she tries to kill herself several times, not the best example right there.
•    Edward either hides, takes, или destroys all of Bella’s possessions that would remind her of him without even telling или asking her first.
•    While she’s supposedly in Любовь with Edward, she also has feelings for Jacob.
•    Also, Bella hates everything, constantly complains about everything, and generally has no enthusiasm for life but she is still Популярное and still everyone wants to be around her. Seriously, Explain that for me please!
•    When Edward saves Bella from being crushed to death in Twilight, she doesn’t even thank him. She just wants to know how he moved so quickly seriously he just SAVED your life.
•    While Bella is praised as ‘mature’ and ‘independent’, she listens to every word Edward says and does almost whatever he says.
•    Edward and Alice, especially often does things without informing Bella first. They throw her lavish birthday parties which they know she hates and they tend to give her expensive gifts which they also know she despises. Edward tries to control her life including her friendships and her future. Several of the Cullens even try to abort her baby without even asking или even informing her of the fact beforehand.
•    When Edward или anyone else gives Bella a gift, she complains about the entire gift-giving process instead of being grateful или thanking the person.
•    Bella’s entire life revolves around Edward and she never does anything without him. She has no outside interests and hobbies. She has no thoughts on her future или college, she just wants Edward. She also rarely talks to her so called ‘best friends.’
•    She is constantly called careful, cautious, and responsible and she even sees herself that way, she not only tries to kill herself, wants to become a vampire for a guy and doesn’t even think it through; she also wants to lose her virginity to a guy who could very well kill her if he loses control. Seriously girl; think it through a little!
•    Edward is apparently the perfect guy; but he is actually pushy, nosy, creepy, and even abusive both physically and emotionally.
•    It also promotes that aging is terrible and should be avoided at all costs. Seriously, not possible.
•    Bella also tries to force Edward into having *** with her when he clearly doesn’t want to and just wants to wait. It is slutty and sexually abusive which is so wrong.
•    He wants to kill his own baby and even abandons his pregnant and often ill young wife.
•    Bella is pretty nasty to her human Друзья who are supposed to be her ‘best friends’. She often ignores them, is rude to them, или invites them places and either doesn’t Показать up или completely ignores them. Seriously, Bad friend!
•    Her mind can’t be read by Вампиры which does not make sense because she’s supposedly just a normal human girl. She’s apparently the only one who does have that ability.
•    When Bella moves to Forks in the beginning, she apparently has all of the guys falling over her but in Phoniex, she had no Друзья and was completely ignored. What happened and why is Forks so different?
•    She is clumsy and it’s made out to be a disability.
•    When she’s turned, she is easily able to control her instincts and desire for blood which newly turned Вампиры can never do.
•    The Книги are also pretty sexist; Bella doesn’t do anything besides wait for a man (i.e Edward) to tell her what to do and she sacrifices and changes her entire life just for him.
•    The Книги constantly promote that romantic Любовь is еще powerful than any other kind of love. For example, Bella is еще than willing to give up her family, Друзья and never see или speak to them again with VERY LITTLE remorse или even consideration.
•    During the entire series, Bella uses Jacob. She coaxes information out of him, kisses him and then rejects him, she uses him as a free mechanic and even right before she gets married; she holds his hand and then kisses him. That’s a really nasty and mean way to treat the guy who is in Любовь with you, she’s just leading him on and anybody would tell Ты that's just not okay.
•    All of the characters in Twilight are way too perfect, even the evil ones are. They have no faults или interesting personality quirks besides Bella is ‘clumsy’.
•    There’s very little humor in the Книги and the ones do joke like Jacob или Emmet, it is usually very stupid and immature.
•    Bella is seriously the typical ‘damsel in distress’. She does nothing and constantly has to be saved. We have come way too far to actually allow that to happen.
•    How did Edward and Bella fall in love? For the first half of the book; he is rude, arrogant, moody, patronizing, and sends her mixed messages. It’s definitely not Edward’s personality that wins her over. Also, how does Edward fall in Любовь with Bella. She doesn’t do anything particually interesting and she’s quite rude to him and everyone else.
•    Bella is apparently super intelligent. She Цитаты Shakesphere, reads classic novels, listens to old classical music, and gets вверх grades in school but she never actually studies.
•    The Автор tends to glamorize depression and suicide; they are both shown to be interesting and dramatic. Seriously, Insensitive and it’s not interesting at all.
•    She’s perfectly okay with being turned into a vampire but when Edward proposes, she freaks out and yells no. Her reasoning is that marriages don’t last forever, they could get a divorce. On the other hand, becoming a vampire is eternal commitment.
•    I also hate the fact that Stephenie Meyer portrays all humans to be weak, defenseless, and unable to take care of themselves.
•    She also only has 1 standard for beauty and all other kinds of beauty are ignored. The Автор seems to have forgotten that EVERYONE is different and not everyone looks the same including the most beautiful people in the world.
(Seriously, If Ты don't believe me; reread the way she describes Bella and the Cullen girls-all the same; slim, athleticly built, beautiful hair, no physical flaws)
The Автор is constantly interrupting serious thoughts in the book to just randomly praise Edward’s body. Creepy!
•    The Книги plotlines are hard to follow and are often messy and illogical.
•    Seriously, The Книги has some of the worst grammar and spelling mistakes I’ve ever seen.

•    Even the series own author, Stephanie Meyer admits she doesn’t like her own series which she wrote. Also, Robert Pattinson who plays Edward wishes he had never done the series, does not want to be remembered for ever doing it and even called the Автор insane.
posted by bakura1234
It has a PLOT! It has Subplots.It has several characters with depth.JK is not afraid to sacrifice the good guys. The characters aren't one dementional. JK researches her material, has good use of Latin and history within her books. Spells are named after Latin words and do what the Latin words do. Names of soem characters give hints as to what that character is such as Sirius which means Dog звезда for еще Albus which means White (pure wizard). Ты can relate Harry Potter to WWII because of similarities Ты could learn some history from the books.
Harry Potter teaches a good deal about prejudice...
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posted by Kersian
Okay this is еще of an opinion, since my view of the activity is based off opinion.

Now whenever someone posts something on the internet and someone else responds negatively to it, they respond in the same way to that person. In a very negative tone. This is in fact what I see at times in forums.

First Twilight and Harry Potter fans, if Ты post anything on the internet, whether they are opinions или facts, Ты have responsibilities with it. Ты are exposing yourself to others in the internet. Ты are responsible for the positive или negative replies. So don't blame others for your actions....
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I have actually read both series and liked Twilight okay, but Harry Potter rules for me!

First, the so often brought up topic... love, или lack thereof. Harry Potter consists of all sorts of love: family, parental, romantic, friend. Twilight consists of pure lust. Now for the evidence! Mrs. Molly Weasley killed Bellatrix Lestrange because Bellatrix nearly killed Ginny, her only daughter. The Weasleys all look out for each other, and even Percy apologized in the seventh book. They joined together in dark times, happy ones, sad ones, and when Фред died. Ты might say the Cullens Показать family love....
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I'm going to start doing Статьи like this because I think it's fun and I just wanna see who thinks one character is better than the other.

Before Ты guys start, let me tell Ты my opinion. I think that Bellatrix is the better villan because she's mean, crazy and cruel but also happens to have good fighting skills, even though I hate her for hurting Hermione. She's also not afraid [potterheads correct me if i'm wrong] to kill others. She pretty much has the ultimate personality and guts that Villaness's have.

Those are my opinions. Now... feel free to add yours!! Enjoy:)
PREFACE - THE JEALOUS-FALLACY IN ITS MANY FORMS

Alright, I have already dissected one very common fallacy invoked by some Twilight Фаны and a few Harry Potter Фаны as well, the Edward-fallacy. I shall not discuss that one but instead I will be moving on and examine another common fallacy invoked by some fans, using what I believe is the two most common forms of it.

"YOU ARE JUST JEALOUS, THEREFORE YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID"

Firstly, let us examine the logical reasoning behind "You are just jealous, therefore your argument is invalid".
It is invoked when any Фан post an argument and employes this...
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first off i would like to say that i used to like t but everyone ruined it.

hp is so much better because its about friendship and standing up for your self it shows fear and judement and kind and tenderness which in twilight its just about useing people to benifit Ты and doin iti mean in twilight, it takes edward and bella what a week to fall in Любовь it takes ron and herimone over 7 years and harry starts to relize he loves ginny after 5 years! and not to mention hp is fun for everyone some people might be afraid of the fact of a man eating vampire watching them not knowing when there going to attack out of hunger. so when Ты "twilight" Фаны find some real evidence that twilight has any real moral to it let me know cause i really like to know wat Ты think. или just Комментарий on this Статья PEACE, sy-sy
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