Диснеевские принцессы Article: Complaints

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posted by hatelarxene

I honestly would Любовь to know what kind of job Золушка would get if she ran away. Yep, I'm talking to you, pretty_angel92! Please, speak up! Like AudreyFreak said, do Ты guys forget they were NO women's shelters или abuse hotlines back then? Women were nearly powerless.Stop judging her as a modern woman-she is NOT MODERN. Ты know someone who does something very similar to Cinderella? ALADDIN. His situation was just as tough as Cinderella's, maybe slightly easier. But while EVERYONE complains about Золушка not getting a job, Аладдин gets NO COMPLAINTS about that AT ALL. Is it because he's a man? Because if it is, it's just plain SEXIST and SHALLOW.

Same with Tiana. As rhythmicmagic has said, she apparently "gives up her dream for a man". THAT IS BULLSH*T.
"You want someone who gives up a dream for a lover? HERCULES! He completely turns his back on his dream of life on Olympus to be with Meg. Tiana got her dream of her restaurant in the end, Hercules never got his. He even says “A life without Meg, even an immortal life, wouldn’t be worth living.” Tiana never says her life would be worthless without her relationship with Naveen. Why does no one complain about Hercules, when he gave up еще than Tiana ever did and never had any hope of ever being able to get his dream again? Because he is a man? This is a double standard, I tell you, as sexist as any other!"

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shanyuisboss I agree with many things here. PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND CINDERELLA!!!!! I am so tired of explaining! Thanks for doing things for me. This article must have taken a lot of courage to actually directly talk to fanpop users. I've never seen anyone complain and directly talk to someone. But it's your decision. Nice! And great points!

Safira-09 Hercules´ dream changed with Meg, so nobody complans about it. He got what he really wanted and needed in the end.

hatelarxene ^Safira-09, Tiana's dream NEVER changed. She still wanted her restaurant in the end, it's just that Naveen was more important. And what's wrong with that. Besides, Tiana also gets what she really wanted and needed in the end just like Hercules.

Safira-09 Never said anything against that, did i? I only explained why people don´t bitch about Hercules.. you need to cool down your temper a bit..

hatelarxene ^Safira-09. Sorry. I'll calm down.

hatelarxene No wait, guys. Maybe my wording wasn't very correct. When I said "As rhythmicmagic has said, she apparently "gives up her dream for a man".", i mean that rhythmicmagic was AGAINST this. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. Rhythmicmagic never said that Tiana gives up her dream for a man. She says the complete opposite. Hope it's clear now :)

Jayden-G ^ Yeah, it's clear. I remember her saying that. I never got why neither Aladdin nor Flynn attempt to get a job and no one says anything, but then bitch about Cinderella. I agree that Tiana's dream never changed, she just said that it would not be complete, which are two different things. I wonder what/if pretty_angel92 will say to that.

AudreyFreak At first I saw "Complaints" and then say my username and thought I was gonna get flamed. Haha. But yay, I got quoted. I don't think people excuse him for being a guy, but maybe they do. I've never even thought of it, but you're right- he certainly has the freedom she doesn't. He already lives on the streets; he doesn't have to answer to anyone. Cinderella has every step watched. I think people sympathize with Aladdin because 1) he's cute 2) he gives those kids his only meal and then defends them 3) the poor orphan thing always gets sympathy- look at Eugene/Flynn. and he wasn't even stealing to survive like Aladdin. Plus he's a modern hero, Cinderella is a classic and people like to hate on them. I agree with Shanyu that people don't understand Cinderella. I think the 3 classics are constantly misunderstood, but Cinderella has the most advocates. People also misunderstand Mulan, but in a more positive way. they think she's this confident ball-buster when she's easily intimidated, respects men and unsure of herself at first, which is what makes her sympathetic. But back to Cinderella. I can't believe people say she should punch her steps and leave. LOL cuz it's that easy. They have power over her and social standing. She doesn't. Attacking them in any way is an idiotic move anyone with common sense knows. I also have yet to see where these critics want her to go, too. People just need to quit looking at the characters from a shallow surface level. Just because Cinderella doesn't get into a fisticuffs round with her stepsisters doesn't mean she is a doormat. Just because Mulan goes off to war doesn't mean she's a ladette with Merida's hobbies.

hajirah4 Okay, I thin everyone's opinion is said and done. I'll just sit in the corner wondering what happened to my creativity. (puts box in head)

Jessikaroo On the subject of Tiana, the problem is she built up so much that her dream was more important than anything. Hercules made it clear that he wanted Meg in his life from the get-go. Tiana giving up her dream was different from Hercules because we never really see her fall in love, or any indication about why she'd suddenly hold a life with Naveen above her live-long dream. Hercules we see falling in love with Meg and trying to bring her into his life, and we see the clear pros and cons each path holds for him. On one hand, he gets to live a life with his true love, on the other, he gets to live a life with his family. For Tiana, on one hand she gets to live a life with her true love who as an audience we are barely convinced she loves as much as he loves her, or live a life fulfilling her and her fathers life long dream plus living with her family and friends. Do you see the point I'm trying to make?

GreatLance_30 I agree with some points, but you forgot it was a fairytale where all things can happen even if it seems impossible

rhythmicmagic Oh yeah, I remember that rant. But I definitely agree with the Cinderella point. If it were a modern situation, I'd say it was obviously the worst thing that she stayed. But she didn't have the resources.

Jayden-G @rhythmicmagic, yeah, I remember those PATF debates too. Fun. I still stand with Tiana not giving up her dream, but I do see where you are coming from Jessikaroo

Animated_Paint Awesome article. As shanyuisboss said, it must have taken a lot of courage to write - and good on you! Everything you said about Cinderella AND Tiana made so much sense!! Plus, you're right about Aladdin and Hercules (though I do love them too ^^) and how they are never bashed for the same things that Cindy and Tiana are always bashed upon. Great article!! @Jessikaroo - what you said also makes a lot of sense :) I happen to be a Tiana/Naveen supporter so I don't mind it.

fiina I love this article, I've been aware Tiana's misunder and I'm glad you brought it up. I also agree with your point about Cinderella though I never really thought it before.

Jessikaroo @Animated_Paint I'm a Tiana/Naveen supporter too :P They're one of my OTP's

SweetPea2007 "CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP" NIcely said hatelarxene

x3blairx3 I love this finally some one speaks up!!!!!!!