Yeah that's an annoying term for characters who have gone through good character development. Most of them possess traits of being a Mary-Sue but none of them are close to a full-blown one.
^Having a lack of flaws isn't only what makes a character a Mary Sue. Sometimes Mary Sue characters have tons of flaws, but these flaws are down-played or portrayed to cast the character in an endearing or admirable light, and more often than not, a Mary Sue's flaws create viewers to strongly sympathize with the character, making it nearly impossible to hate her.
I don't think any of the princesses are Mary Sues, but Belle, Rapunzel and Elsa come close, as so Mulan and Anna in some ways.
^Look up the meaning of marry-sue. A marry-sue isn't a character that creates sympathize and makes it nearly impossible to hate her. it is a character that is perfect in every way and nothing n defeat him/her, and has no personality. That's a marry-sue.
If magnoliainmay is right, than Ariel is a HUGE Mary-sue! The movie tries to act like she's the good one in the whole story and that she never does anything wrong . That's why Disney never once had her apologize for anything she does. HUGE Mary-sue. If that's not right than I don't think any princess is.
No, none of them are Mary Sues at all! Even if they were, at least they all have interesting personalities unlike Bella Swan who has no personality traits other than being moody.
@Sk8ter_grl That doesn't make sense in her meaning of marry-sue. She said a character that crates sympathy and is impossible to hate which kind a of sounds like a great character. You said a character that gets away with what she does wrong scott free. I am sorry but you two aren't making much sense.
PeacefulCritic No, I said why. My comment as to why her meaning of mary-sue didn't make much sense is just "if" her meaning of mary-sue was correct. If Mary-sue is a character with no flaws then no she's not. But by his definition here is my reasoning:
Sometimes Mary Sue characters have tons of flaws, but these flaws are down-played
Ariel was never looked at in a bad light once in her movie. She was looked at as the typical teenager who always once to go into dangerous places and "always" disobeys her father for very little reason. She Is played to the audience in a endearing light as the movie never focuses on her flaws and her struggle with it them, but more her fathers change in understanding humans. Ariel does reckless stuff, never apologizes in the movie and yet happy music is played in the end while people cheer and I'm left wanting more. She left scott-free. If that is the definition of mary-sue, then she IS a mary-sue. If your going to say I'm wrong, give me your reasons as to why you think I'm wrong.
PeacefulCritic, it is pretty much impossible to write a perfect character who can do no wrong. Most of a Mary Sue's flaws are accidental and are results of what is happening with them. For example, in the Glee fandom, the character Marley is often criticized for being a Mary Sue, and while I agree with this statement, I can also see that she has many flaws. BUT her flaws aren't supposed to be there, they're just results of the writing, and her storylines are still played out to make her look like the victim/heroine even when there's an opportunity to show that she was actually in the wrong. Just because other characters can't see Marley's flaws, it doesn't mean she doesn't have them, and this applies to other Mary Sues as well.
The whole point of a Mary Sue is that you HAVE to love them. When you're watching a movie or reading a book with a Mary Sue, you get the feeling that the writer is asking you "ISN'T MY CHARACTER SO COOL AND SWEET AND BADASS AND AMAZING? DON'T YOU LOVE HIM/HER YET?" Creating sympathy for a character causes you to like them. In my opinion, a Mary Sue doesn't depend on the characters personality ALONE, but mostly on the portrayal of the character.
If you'd read my comment properly, you would see that I said that having a lack of flaws isn't ONLY what makes a character a Mary Sue, and that I started the next sentence with "sometimes".
Sk8er_girl: I agree with what you said about Ariel. Every time she does something wrong we're forced to side with her and it is her dad or Ursula or Sebastian who is portrayed more negatively. However, her father and Sebastian were constantly reminding her of her flaws and of what she was doing wrong, and even though she got away unscathed, I felt that them lampshading her issues is what proves that we, as viewers, can decide whether we want to admire/like/sympathize with her or not, which is what I believe saves her from being a Mary Sue.
I'm sorry if I didn't make much sense in my comments. English is my second language and I'm not great at wording anything.
^No you did just fine. The person obviously didn't read your comment. I understand what your saying about Ariel but every time I want to like that she's a flawed character I always get stopped by the ending where it's her father who changes and they never go over how Ariel was wrong in some ways too or how she never learns her lesson. Even her father seems to feel in the end like she's perfect. Elsa is by definition just like that because people are always calling her a monster. But meh, that's just my opinion. :)
^^You said a character with a lot of flaws can be a marry-sue but a marry-sue is a character close as possible to perfect so now that you explained it. Which at first didn't make sense in the meaning either. But now that you explained what you meant it makes much more sense and I agree with that. And it is ok I understand that it is hard wording another language.
^^ I read her comment over and over again she said a character that has a lot of flaws can be a marry-sue and gave a totally different meaning. She needed to explain it better not re word it better. Which she did.
I don't think any of the princesses are Mary Sues, but Belle, Rapunzel and Elsa come close, as so Mulan and Anna in some ways.
Sometimes Mary Sue characters have tons of flaws, but these flaws are down-played
Ariel was never looked at in a bad light once in her movie. She was looked at as the typical teenager who always once to go into dangerous places and "always" disobeys her father for very little reason. She Is played to the audience in a endearing light as the movie never focuses on her flaws and her struggle with it them, but more her fathers change in understanding humans. Ariel does reckless stuff, never apologizes in the movie and yet happy music is played in the end while people cheer and I'm left wanting more. She left scott-free. If that is the definition of mary-sue, then she IS a mary-sue. If your going to say I'm wrong, give me your reasons as to why you think I'm wrong.
The whole point of a Mary Sue is that you HAVE to love them. When you're watching a movie or reading a book with a Mary Sue, you get the feeling that the writer is asking you "ISN'T MY CHARACTER SO COOL AND SWEET AND BADASS AND AMAZING? DON'T YOU LOVE HIM/HER YET?" Creating sympathy for a character causes you to like them. In my opinion, a Mary Sue doesn't depend on the characters personality ALONE, but mostly on the portrayal of the character.
If you'd read my comment properly, you would see that I said that having a lack of flaws isn't ONLY what makes a character a Mary Sue, and that I started the next sentence with "sometimes".
Sk8er_girl: I agree with what you said about Ariel. Every time she does something wrong we're forced to side with her and it is her dad or Ursula or Sebastian who is portrayed more negatively. However, her father and Sebastian were constantly reminding her of her flaws and of what she was doing wrong, and even though she got away unscathed, I felt that them lampshading her issues is what proves that we, as viewers, can decide whether we want to admire/like/sympathize with her or not, which is what I believe saves her from being a Mary Sue.
I'm sorry if I didn't make much sense in my comments. English is my second language and I'm not great at wording anything.
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