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Диснеевские принцессы For which of these traits would Ты not like Pocahontas

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too bland a personality - at times boring
   62%
others (please specify)
   27%
singular tastes in life - roam in wilderness
   12%
somewhat influenced by West
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Sparklefairy375 picked too bland a personality - at times boring:
Yup, that's why she's my least favorite.
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anukriti2409 picked too bland a personality - at times boring:
mostly
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Diazdiaz95 picked others (please specify):
Although she is somewhat bland, what I like least about her are two things, 1) she doesn't speak up when she needs to until the end and 2) all she does is procrastinate and worry about things without doing much much stuff that is worthwhile. She just doesn't voice her opinions and I don't like that, she's too afraid to speak her mind and make her own decisions.
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sweetie-94 picked too bland a personality - at times boring:
Yup, that's why she's in my bottom 3 favorite Disney Princesses
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MalloMar picked others (please specify):
Audrey, that's hilarious.
Anyway, I really like her, and I don't think she's bland.
However, what I dislike is the fact that she didn't take action sooner. She knew John's fate, but didn't do anything but talk to trees for a while.
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I pick None of these. I don't find her to be bland at all and that makes no sense since she is one of the most dynamic princesses. That makes me wonder if people really like "diversity". She's mature but playful. Smart but spirited. Curious but cautious. She is a dynamic character. "singular tastes in life - roam in wilderness" doesn't make any sense to me at all. Singular? How's that? "somewhat influenced by West" is just inaccurate and offensive. She's already in the west so I don't understand how that makes sense and she wasn't influenced by anyone, she was drawn to the new culture. I think it's offensive that being "influenced by the West" would be a flaw. Talk about the wrong kind of judging. That is a personal preference of hers that brought people together who would've otherwise destroyed each other. Where's the flaw in that?

About the hypocritical comment: John Smith was going to shoot the mother cub just because, it wasn't attacking them. When Pocahontas' tribe killed the deer to get the deerskin they were doing it for resources and not sport so I fail to see the hypocrisy here.
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anukriti2409 picked too bland a personality - at times boring:
laylastepford:
I don't remember her doing anything except roaming in wilderness, talking to trees. Not one single activity for that matter. So she's very much singular in taste. While, she may want to explore but it only comes out when the settlers arrive. Even then, she's spending more time in educating John Smith about her culture than to know his, except for learning his language maybe.
If you are referring to geographical location, yes, they were in the West of Europe. I was referring to Western Civilization. As for it being considered as the flaw, that will have to be explained by people who may choose it. I have listed it as part of possible traits which may/may not be considered by people popularly as flaw. Since no one has chosen it, I'm glad no one else seems to believe in the same, just like me.
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anukriti2409: She was hanging out on the cliff when she then dived off of it, yes that is exploring wilderness. Then she pushed the boat over so Nakoma would fall in the water and they had a splash fight, that's playing. Pocahontas seems to somewhat regularly go visit Grandmother Willow in which they talk and "socialize". Later, Pocahontas is seen picking corn with Nakoma before she runs off with John Smith. She lives in the woods with no technology and no places of interest. What else do you expect her to do? She is limited by her surroundings. As soon as she meets John Smith, she wants to learn all about the place he comes from. What options does she really have other than roaming in the wilderness, playing around in nature, socializing with her close ones? I think it's unfair to hold something against her that she cannot choose. I don't understand how any of this makes her "singular". She was clearly out and about exploring long before the settlers arrive which is shown in the beginning of the film when her father comes home from war and she is off exploring and he says "She has her mother's spirit." She doesn't spend more time talking about her culture then she does learning about John Smith's. When was the last time you saw the film? He tells her all about London and the roads and houses etc.

Some of these "flaws" are just cultural differences/preferences that come off more offensive than anything else.
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anukriti2409 picked too bland a personality - at times boring:
^i mentioned on the wall before posting these polls that these polls are not directed to be offensive to anyone. "I'm making polls for each princess "For which of these traits would you not like_____" The options mentioned under poll is not to offend anyone, but only represents what may be lacking in each princess. These polls are not to de-value any princess at all, so please would request everyone to participate from the view of the question asked."
If any of the options offends you, i cannot really help as i do stand by some of them, while some are merely listed basis what i have seen people talking about each princess in all.
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anukriti2409 picked too bland a personality - at times boring:
to how Pocahontas tastes are singular:
I dont think she's limited by her surroundings at all - she isn't into any of the sports or weaponry skill. Being a cheif's daughter, i also do not see her getting involved in politics or admin work as a princess. She doesn't indulge in any of the other hobbies - making art/craft, cooking, sewing, playing sports, reading, writing etc. Playing with Nakoma in water is roaming in wilderness with someone else. I can try to see picking corn as something else, which is very very close to again wilderness. She was out and about exploring "wilderness" only before settlers came.
So, i stand by what i say: she's singular and that perhaps makes her boring to me. However, being singular doesn't make her less of a person - smart, cautious, exploratory. It just makes her see putting every quality in one single direction.
Agree with you on learning different culture from John.
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^I know you did and I saw your posts on the wall but some of the options are still offensive, despite your intent. I already posted a comment saying that I don't believe these are your personal beliefs or hold any of these against you. That doesn't change the fact that I still think some of the options like "somewhat influenced by West" are completely offensive to different cultures.

I don't think you understand native American culture. She couldn't be into sports in her culture, she's a woman and the only sports are hunting and fighting. She couldn't be involved in politics in her culture, she's a woman and women were not Chiefs. That was seen as men's role in her culture. Where is she supposed to get supplies for arts and crafts? The stores aren't there yet. Do you actually believe she would be allowed to just start cooking for "fun" and not for purpose? Where was she going to get books and who was she going to learn to read and write from to wbe able to write or read?

If you are going to call Pocahontas "singular" for doing every activity (socializing, playing, exploring, picking food, etc.) in the wilderness then you need to call Rapunzel "singular" for doing every activity in her tower because that is the equivalent. It doesn't make any sense in the world to me how you can call someone "singular" for being born in a place and time where she has one single environment and born into a culture where she is very limited in her opportunities and roles.
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scarletunicorn picked singular tastes in life - roam in wilderness:
Kinda. She's kinda lazy in this regard in that she spends more time wasting it away doing hobbies over work or important stuff. In a way it's suggestive in the film that she kinda does this to procrastinate because she struggles with solving problems, but still...
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3xZ picked too bland a personality - at times boring:
Somewhat.
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anukriti2409 picked too bland a personality - at times boring:
^ i get sports n politics point of view. She had a necklace from her mother's generation -creating jewellery is art. And stitching clothes is also art. Why cant cooking be fun? Whats there in it to be not serious about? Natuve americans had a way of writing n reading and since she was so advanced to understand english, she could have learnt to read and write that too. So yes, back to being singular. Dont know how much u think they were so limited that they couldnt do anything except roam in wilderness and socialize with trees. Although about politics, she seemed to have a very strong views in he end about how to restore peace, that looked like a political stance which was greatly admired by chief. She couldnt be cheif but could have been an advisor to chief.
I wont call Rapunzel singular coz she played guitar and baked and read and painted and excercized and played chess, which are widely spread activities.
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UnholyNoise picked others (please specify):
Definitely her lack of direction for most of the movie.... until the very end when she steps up to save John Smith, she really seems to kind of drift along, letting things happen to her rather than the other way around.
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anukriti2409: I see what you are saying with jewelry and you are right on that, she could've made necklaces like her mother's. Stitching clothes was not a hobby in Native American culture though as the resources came from animals and they didn't see it as a luxury but necessity. I am not saying they couldn't have fun cooking but that again, resources are limited so they could not cook for the sole reason of fun or hobby but only for necessity. Most Native American tribes also did not have reading and writing as they relied on oral tradition. They got more into reading and writing after being influenced by white culture which brought them the alphabet and English language. There are no writing of Pocahontas from her time by her tribe because they weren't reading and writing and there was no reading and writing shown in the film. The film started with their warriors coming home from victory yet no one wrote anything down and nothing was written in regards to Pocahontas' marriage either. Most of what we know about Pocahontas was written by the English in her time not the Native Americans, their stories were orally passed down. They were much more limited than you think they were so I don't see Pocahontas as being singular for doing all of her activities in the wilderness where she lived. As I said before, Native American culture did not believe that women could hold position of chief so that ending was unrealistic. By many accounts, that situation never happened and John Smith most likely made that story up so the King of England would see her as a hero and think better of her. There is no proof that actually happened. That being said, I do agree that Rapunzel did participate in a wider variety of activities but she lived in a different time and culture that had more hobbies and activities available.
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Oh boy.

I don't think you understand native American culture.
Native American culture is not a singular thing. There were hundreds of tribes in North America, and they all did things differently.

My comments here will be specific to the tribes of eastern Virginia who were part of the Powhatan chiefdom.

She couldn't be into sports in her culture, she's a woman and the only sports are hunting and fighting.
Hunting and fighting were necessary to survival, so I wouldn't consider them sports. Men had a hockey-like game (think field, not ice), and also wrestled and had a gambling game. Women and children played a game similar to soccer.

She couldn't be involved in politics in her culture, she's a woman and women were not Chiefs. That was seen as men's role in her culture.
False. It was indeed possible for women in the Powhatan tribes to become a tribe's weroansqua (commander; a male chief is called a weroance), because the inheritance of power was matrilineal. (Passed through the women.)

Chief Powhatan could have appointed Pocahontas as a weroansqua of a smaller group, but his title (mamanatowick, meaning paramount chief) would pass through his brothers, and then his sisters, and then through the children of the oldest sister.

Where is she supposed to get supplies for arts and crafts? The stores aren't there yet
Nature. They had everything they needed to make pottery (from clay, located in the ground), baskets (reeds), jewelry (made from shells, pearls, bones), and clothing (animal hides).

Natuve americans had a way of writing n reading and since she was so advanced to understand english, she could have learnt to read and write that too.
She didn't learn to communicate with them immediately. It's a Disney movie.

Stitching clothes was not a hobby in Native American culture though as the resources came from animals and they didn't see it as a luxury but necessity.
Mostly a necessity. The weroances and important people had some impressive festive wear that was more for showing status than necessity.

They were much more limited than you think they were so I don't see Pocahontas as being singular for doing all of her activities in the wilderness where she lived.
True, Pocahontas may not have had much to do that we modern people would classify as "fun".

The men's job was to hunt and fight. It was a full-time job. The women did everything else. Foraging, growing, harvesting, cooking food, caring for the children and elderly, making pottery and baskets, making clothing, maintaining their households. There was a lot of work to be done, but there were also games and feasts and dancing. I doubt anyone ever died of boredom.

By many accounts, that situation never happened and John Smith most likely made that story up so the King of England would see her as a hero and think better of her.
According to the books I read recently, Smith either had no idea what was actually happening, or he blew the story out of proportion to make himself sound more important. If something like this did happen, it was likely an initiation ritual, welcoming John Smith into the tribe. (This is more likely. Powhatan's prisoners of war probably wished for something as quick as a brain-bashing.) Smith was considered a friend and later named a chief, so even if Pocahontas did intervene, it was probably unnecessary.

In regard to Pocahontas' "singular tastes in life", she probably did her fair share of work and community activities; they just chose not to show it in the movie, to focus more on her funny animal friends and romance. (Who wants to watch a Disney Princess harvest corn all day?)
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AdelitaI said:
Nothing. And I don't find her neither bland and boring. In my opinion she is interesting, well-rounded, charismatic and relatable character.
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AudreyFreak picked others (please specify):
^

I guess that she totally lacks common sense, if I had to pick.

Her "roaming" makes sense to me. She's content with her life- why change it? What's she gonna do, pick a college? join a book club? As someone too poor to do what I want and uncertain anyway I find her super relatable in regard.
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Vizsla4 said:
None of these are true.
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