NO ONE could beat McGonagall

Bellatrix learned form Voldy himself and was known to have be able to use mental magic. She's merciless and not afraid to use unforgivable that makes her more dangerous. She's also took on 3 witches at once (one being Hermione) and had the upper hand. I say Bella has the upper hand.

Absolutely. McGonagall is talented, capable, and smart. Sure, Bellatrix might be crazy powerful, but she's too violent like a raging bull. If McGonagall could find Bellatrix's weakness, McGonagall is guaranteed to win. I know that Bellatrix has dark magic, but considering that she probably learned magic from teachers like McGonagall, I'd have to say the PROFESSOR would win. Also, the reoccurring theme in Harry Potter is that love always prevails, and Bellatrix had none of that. No, OBSESSIVE "love" over Voldemort doesn't count as actual love.

Also, if Molly Weasley could kill Bellatrix, then McGonagall could take Bellatrix out in a heartbeat. McGonagall is poised and observant, she could easily figure out Bellatrix's fighting style and goad/bait/manipulate into doing something brash, then deliver the final blow, much like a matador waving his cape at a bull. Plus, McGonagall can transfigure the shit out of anything. She wouldn't stand idly by and shoot spells at Bella. She would summon knifes, glass, everything there is, to shoot at Bella at the same time that she would take control over random things such as tables, chairs, well anything to attack Bella.

We saw how effective that was when Dumbledore did such things fighting Voldmort at the ministry. Bellatrix has no chance what so ever against McGonagall when it comes to magic, experience and knowledge. McGonagall's only superiors are Dumbledore and Voldemort.

I stand by my opinion and I stand by it firmly.

She's not afraid to use the killing curse, that's all it would take.

Are you just being biased because you love Bellatrix?

Make all the accusations you want, I can easily say you're being biased simply because you don't like her. I backed my reasons, you just don't seem to think they're good enough. Either way around I stand by my opinion.
Anyhow I'm not here to start/part take in any fights so I'm going to say we should agree to disagree before this escalate.

When did I EVER say I don't like Bellatrix? I like her just as much as the other HP girls. I think she's a pretty amazing villain. Yeah, you backed your reasons all right... with ONE SPELL. The killing curse. That's it. I am APPALLED by how underrated McGonagall is. She's never made it into one top 10 duelers list. Not once, while I see Bellatrix on all of them.

But if you still want more reasons I'll respond to your points.

Absolutely. McGonagall is talented, capable, and smart. Sure, Bellatrix might be crazy powerful, but she's too violent like a raging bull. If McGonagall could find Bellatrix's weakness, McGonagall is guaranteed to win. And there is no guarantee she'll find it. Because of her raging bull style, she's more unpredictable. Patterns are harder to pick up on if there's no actual method.

I know that Bellatrix has dark magic, but considering that she probably learned magic from teachers like McGonagall, I'd have to say the PROFESSOR would win. Students have the capability to out preform their teachers, it's happened before. Reverting to a Kill Bill reference; Elle Driver killed her sensi. J.K Rowling out preformed her English teacher (the one who said she'd never be anything) in writhing HP.

Also, the reoccurring theme in Harry Potter is that love always prevails, and Bellatrix had none of that. No, OBSESSIVE "love" over Voldemort doesn't count as actual love. This is what I like to call author bias. Bad guys losing is inevitable. Now in a real life situation the odds would be more fair. I would call it actual love but that's just me. I would also say even if it was purely obsessive love that counts too, of course this is just a personal prefrerance

Also, if Molly Weasley could kill Bellatrix, then McGonagall could take Bellatrix out in a heartbeat. I seriously believe that Molly got lucky and that Rowling simply wanted to put her in the spotlight for once. In fact I do believe Rowling said that she only did it so Molly could have her moment to shine.

McGonagall is poised and observant, she could easily figure out Bellatrix's fighting style[/i/] Again it's hard to figure out something that really isn't.

[i]Plus, McGonagall can transfigure the shit out of anything. She wouldn't stand idly by and shoot spells at Bella. She would summon knifes, glass, everything there is, to shoot at Bella at the same time that she would take control over random things such as tables, chairs, well anything to attack Bella. I'm almost certain that Bella knows how to summon objects seeing as she was known as a highly skilled witch who attended Hogwarts and probably learned those spells.

Bellatrix has no chance what so ever against McGonagall when it comes to magic, experience and knowledge. McGonagall's only superiors are Dumbledore and Voldemort. I do believe there's always a chance. If Harry had a chance against Voldy, Bella has one against McGonagall. Bella has experience as well. They've both been around a while.

And then there's the fact that Bella cast avada kedevera without taking her wand out.

Anyhow; don't get me wrong I like McGonagall too and I don't have anything against her. Nor am I trying to start anything with you.

When did I EVER say I don't like Bellatrix? I like her just as much as the other HP girls. I think she's a pretty amazing villain. Yeah, you backed your reasons all right... with ONE SPELL. The killing curse. That's it. I am APPALLED by how underrated McGonagall is. She's never made it into one top 10 duelers list. Not once, while I see Bellatrix on all of them.

That was kind of the point; it's just as unfair for me to assume you don't like her or that your being biased as it for you to do the same to me. I provided more back up above since you said that that wasn't sufficient enough for you. With all due respect I don't know why I have to explain my opinion to anyone. I just simply didn't feel like typing a long long comment tonight. I never said McGonagall wasn't powerful.

Anyways like I said, I didn't want to start anything, and that's why I didn't respond to your points. But since we're into it now I guess it doesn't matter much. I just didn't want anyone to get mad up with me tonight.

But Bellatrix DOES have a method: a violent, predictable, raging bull method that just shoots random spells that McGonagall could easily block. Bella is way too over-confident and only fights one way.

Molly Weasley was able to defeat Bellatrix because of her love for her daughter. I guess that's why people have the saying, "mothers could lift cars to save their children"

While Bella might be talented in being ruthless and in darkarts, McGonagall is more talented in much more things. Bella would not even know half what McGonagall knows. She would not even have half the experience. Shooting spells on a person standing on another spot isn't how it works. A real fight with two talented persons is so much more. You are "almost certain", as well as me being "ABSOLUTELY certain" that McGonagall would find Bella's weakness. I can just easily say that there's no guarantee that Bellatrix knows how to summon objects. Plus, there has never been any evidence that she could do so. McGonagall has been around way longer since idle Bella was even BORN.

Also, I agree with rhythmicmagic. NO ONE can beat McGonagall. Well, for the exception of Dumbledore and Voldemort.

And that random spell shooting is what makes her hard to figure out if that makes sense. And are we going by movies or books or both. Because the movies is more random spell slinging and the books there's more a method.

As I said that falls under author bias. Of course she wouldn't let Ginny die; she's the mother of Harry's kids. And of course Molly had to win or Ginny would still be at risk.

I may be over analyzing but Rowling never said that Bellatrix wasn't skilled in other things, but she also never said the other way around either. That also hasn't been proven either way by Rowling so we'll never actually know. I would say I'm absolutely certain but I'm pretty sure you'd say I'm wrong. Not to mention unless this event (McGonagall vs Bella) actually happened there is no 100% certainty about anything.

Anyways I have to go to bed. We can pick this up tomorrow if you so wish. But I'm pretty sure you're getting fed up with me so... your call.

Ever heard of "true love conquers all"? I'm just quoting Sleeping Beauty here. Also, in case you haven't noticed, a mother's love is much, MUCH more powerful than ANY dark magic. Plus, it's easier to find weaknesses in ruthless, violent people. Ever seen that episode of Teen Titans when Terra was fighting Raven? Raven was being violent and ruthless, and Terra exploited that. The same way McGonagall would do to Bellatrix if this battle ever occurred.

By the way, I NEVER assumed you didn't like McGonagall. Where the hell did you get THAT from?

Because Professor McGonagall is Professor McGonagall.

Yeah I heard of that. Are we talking about Molly or McGonagall? Is it now? I find it much harder to find a weakness in someone who doesn't really have a strategy at all. I haven't seen many Teen Titans episodes. Not necessarily; Raven and Terra are not Bellatrix and McGonagall, it's not fair to say that McGonagall would win because Terra won. That's like saying Harry Potter would beat Edward Cullen because Van Hellsing killed Dracula. You can predict that that's how it will end, but at the end of the day your guess is as good as mine. Your absolute sureness is as good as my absolute sureness.

Didn't say you did. I just like to make sure you and others know that I have nothing agianst her to prevent the whole 'you just hate McGonagall thing. That was also my way of trying not to start a fight over something stupid. But based on the whole "where the hell" thing I'd say it didn't work. I've read your comments and I respect your opinion, I never said you were wrong, I just disagree. I hope you do the same for me.

Whilst I love McGonagall, I think that since Bellatrix uses very strong and powerful magic, has absolutely no conscience and is much younger and physically fit, she would win.

That's a good point, I didn't think of the last part.

I'd help her!

^^WTF. Book-Freak and zanhar1, age has NOTHING to do with it. Seriously? That's just plain shallow. If age mattered, Voldemort would've easily defeated Dumbledore during the battle at the Ministry. Also, McGonagall took 4 or 5 Stunners to the chest, and managed to recover quickly. You don't call that physically fit? If anything, McGonagall is even more physically fit or at least equally physically fit as Bella.

Also, zanhar1, about the author bias thing. That has NOTHING to do with this. If it did, Harry's parents would be alive. Neville's parents would be alive. Lavender wouldn't have been killed by Fenrir the werewolf. Cedric wouldn't have been killed by Pettigrew. Sirius would still be alive, same with Dobby. Same with Tonks and Lupin and Dumbledore and Snape. Author bias has NOTHING to do with Harry Potter AT ALL.

^PerryTheTeenage, I'm sure McGonagall would appreciate it. But she's perfectly capable of defeating Bellatrix by herself :)

It's not that shallow at all. It's a scientific fact that fact that old age brings a decline in energy, the ability to hear as well, and the ability to see as well. Old age often makes bones more frial and easy to break. So no it's not shallow unless you want to go up to the doctors and sintests that proved these theories and call them shallow. If you deny this your in denial about the life cycle. I can tolerate you disagreeing with me but I'm not going to be nice if you keep the 'wtf' 'what the hell' and the 'you are shallow' thing up. I don't take lightly to personal insults. I'm not saying all elderly people aren't physically fit or able to fight, also never said McGonagall wasn't fit. I simply agreed with book-freak in the fact that Bella is more physically fit, the woman is practically bouncing off the walls. So please lay off.

It kind of does in the fact that good guys almost always win. Emphasis on the almost. Of course some good guys are going to die or we won't have a story. But in the most important final battles good usually does come out on top no matter how closely matched they were. Not to mention Alice and Frank are not dead, they are regulars at St. Mungo's. And Lavender only died in the movies. Again not true as said before some good guys are going to die to progress the story (Cedric's death was key in signaling Voldemort's return, Dumbledore's to officially get the wizarding war in process, Lily and Jame's to get the hero where he needs to be) and also to give the story more emotion and drama (like Sirius and Dobby and Snape), the stuff that keeps the reader reading. But at the end of the day most authors usually kill off or take the main villain(s) out of power. So yes it does have something to do with Harry Potter.

Let me get this straight once and for all: Molly's victory had little to do with skill or power but was to show that the love a mother has for her daughter is a far more powerful cause and motivator than obsessive love that Bellatrix had for Voldemort, that's why she won. It's that whole "when their child is in danger mothers can lift cars off them" that sort of thing.

I never said that YOU are shallow, I said that Book-Freaks' STATEMENT about age is shallow. Also, you say that old age "often makes bones more frail...", key word OFTEN.

Let me repeat this again: If age mattered, Voldemort would've easily defeated Dumbledore during the battle at the Ministry.

That's what I was trying to say; I don't remember if it was in my article or one of these comments or some entirely different comment, but I do remember specifically saying that Molly only won because she had someone to win for.

It sure sounded like it. And I still take offense to it. Alright more often than not. Though this is getting super off topic, Here's a statistic from the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons website; Osteoporosis is a global public health problem currently affecting more than 200 million people worldwide. In the United States alone, 10 million people have osteoporosis, and 18 million more are at risk of developing the disease. In case you don't know, Osteoporosis is a disease that causes bone frailty and 200 million people have it. But seriously I think we're getting way to into this; analyzing stuff that really wasn't meant to be analyzed. And more over digging up even more questions and possibilities that we'll never get answers to. I don't know about you but I think this is getting a bit over board and we should just agree to disagree. Agree to realize we're probably not going to agree on this and to just accept and respect that.

Age still doesn't matter. Again, for the THOUSANDTH TIME: If age mattered, Voldemort would've easily defeated Dumbledore during the battle in the Ministry.

Also, here's a link. Hope you understand how powerful love is by reading this...
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"Full extent is uncertain but is known to allow incredible magical feats to be performed, such as reflecting an Unforgivable Curse." In case you haven't noticed, love has a profound effect on magic.

Bella's "love" for Voldemort wasn't real love, it was an obsessive love that reflects what an abusive relationship is like.

Alright I'm done with this, it's getting nowhere, we're going in circles, and I feel like it's getting out of hand. I don't want to offend you anymore (if I did) and I don't want to get offended anymore. I respect your opinion but I also respectfully disagree and I hope you can do the same for me.

Omg, girls, calm down!! lol :)
It's a hard choice for me cause both of them are powerful witches.

Don't worry, I said I was done.

^^rebecaleia i'm a guy. lol

There is absolutely NO WAY Bella would be able to beat Professor McBadass (see what I did there?). Bellatrix was just crazy and did not care about anything. Her soul is already so manged that she just shoots the killing curse all the time. She has no control of herself.

I still stand by what I said about Bellatrix........sorry, but crazy and out of control is not powerful..........if you lose control of yourself and let your powers control you; you are not as powerful as you think.........Bellatrix just goes crazy and unleashes everything..........that's not power...........that's called mental issues...........

bella can get easily distracted not McGonagall
she could turn her into anything she taled in everything whereas bell only in dark magic

Sorry hatelarxene