And Harry marrying Ginny.

But James never truly changed, and he was never a Prefect.

Apparently, you had forgotten that Harry used Parseltongue to open the locket (DH, pg 374).

As far as the Ginny being a fan girl remark...I've heard this quite a few times, yet no one ever seems to have the evidence to back it up.

@pensieve-seeker
right you're 'bout the locket thing. I forgot it. But does it change anything? I mean, how in the hell can you copy a hiss? I can't repeat the hiss I myself made a few minutes ago!!
And Ginny being the fan-girl thing--- It is kind of unrealistic, isn't it?

i agree with RealBenTennyson, even if he remembered that, it' quite hard to imitate. (But although it was unrealistic, it was cool)

Ron being a friend and James behaving because of his love to Lily

Ron didn't speak perfect parsletongue (Harry describes it as a horrible strangeling noise) - he made a noise similar to one he'd heard Harry make. Why's that unrealistic?

The parsletongue thing is pretty unrealistic, but James becoming head boy after being cruel, a prankster, and a bully (and not just to Snape apparently) for a large portion of his school years is a bit more far fetched. He supposedly changed for the better sometime during his 7th year but I'd think the head boy position would have been decided before the start or at the latest on the 1st day of his 7th year.

@RealBenTennyson--What's unrealistic about falling for the younger sister of your best friend?

It did not realy make sence why he was head-boy after all he did to Snape

How the hell can Ron remember anything like that? Okay, so he heard Harry hiss 5 years ago and while he was opening the locket, but don't you think he wouldn't have paid attention to it because of all the recent events? I wouldn't have been able to copy it, and I'm sure somebody like Ron would have forgotten.
All of them are unrealistic, I guess, but this one takes the cake.

@bri-marie
So? I mean, Ron must've said "open" in parseltongue otherwise chamber wouldn't have opened. It doesn't matter what it seemed to Harry; the chamber decided that there is a parseltongue askin' it to open, so it opened. What is this "not-so-perfect-parseltongue"

@pensieve_seeker
It is unrealistic. I mean Harry never had any feeling for her since half of HBP. I mean, when he caught her snogging Dean, he's convincing that he's disturbed coz she is like a sister.What he felt for 6 yrs changed so quick

Or, it was close enough. People mimic things all the time. Things they've heard on t.v., things they hear every day, things they've only heard once. It's not like hearing parsletongue is a common thing - something that unusual is bound to stay with you.

@bri-marie
Yeah, people do. Ok, Rowena Ravenclaw was know for her intelligence, but was Salazar Slytherin that dim? Parseltongue is extremely rare gift. He feared that somone before or apart from T.M.R would find chamber's enterance. That's why he made it only possible for parseltongues to open it. I myself mimic several actors but that's the point. We can mimic HUMANS, but at least I can't mimic a snake. And also the sound you heard only 2 times in life,bot time extremely scared!

It's still possible. I mimic my chinchilla. And my dog. So does my boyfriend. He also mimics his cockatiel. I can't put my leg over my head, but I don't go around saying "It's so unrealistic" when someone does it. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it's not possible for other's to.

People's minds work in different ways. For some, fear heightens the senses. For others, it doesn't. It is entirely possible that Ron is the type of person who is able to see and hear things very clearly when adrenaline is pumping through his system.

Slytherin was a brilliant and powerful man, but he couldn't stop people from mimicking sounds.

@bri-marie
The comment you made 'bout Slytherin proves my point. Slytherin can't stop people from mimicing. So, he must've checked it that chamber should only be opened when someone says "open" in a "perfect" parseltongue. One as great as Slytherin must have to be fool if he knew people can mimic parseltongue( that's what you said) and didn't consider it. He can't be that fool, can he?

Ron isn't a person who works perfectly when in pressure or scared. His first quidditch match, DoM, splinching himself!!

He's still human. People make mistakes. Or perhaps Slytherin, like you, didn't think it was possible for people to mimic parsletongue. The Slytherins are a proud bunch - and they were modeled after Slytherin himself. Slytherin isn't the type of person to even consider that option.

I didn't say he worked perfectly well. There's a difference between being able to memorize a sound you hear because the adrenaline has hyped up your senses and apparating. He didn't make the noise in CoS, or when the locket was opened. He made the noise later, when there was no one around but Hermione.

@bri-marie
Yeah, slytherins are proud bunch, but they certainly are not fools. Take example of Draco. He's able to bring Death-eaters in Hogwarts. Slytherin was really smart and cunning man. He knew that rumours have leaked 'bout chamber. So, he must've known that people'll try to find and open it. So he'd have made all measures to prevent it!

Ron just can't behave perfectly when he's scared. Search the books, you'll get numerous examples. And being alone with Hermione'll not help him.It'l make him nervous

Draco also almost killed how many people to get to that point? How many times has Draco put down the Weasley's and Hermione for being "blood-traitors" and a "mud-blood." Slytherin (and the Slytherins) didn't think blood-traitors and mud-bloods were capable of doing things pure-blood could. Search the books - you'll get numerous examples of this.

The part of the brain that controls actions is not the part of the brain that handles memories and hearing. So, the fact that Ron cannot play Quidditch in front of a large group of people has nothing to do with him being able to hear and memorize a sound.

Being with Hermione has brought out the best in Ron. It gives him someone to try for, someone to show that "Hey, I'm here, and I can do this too." Search the books - you'll find numerous example of Ron doing things to impress Hermione while she's there.

That's the point again. Slytherin (and Slytherins) can do anything to achieve their goal. They can kill too. Draco was a true Slytherin and so was Slytherin (heh)
OMG! I'm not gr8 in Bio, so I can't say if u r right or wrong 'bout the whole brain thing. But, just give me one example when he did better while scared.
And impressing Hermione never did anything correct for Ron. He gets to nervous. Hermione was witnessing his 1st quid. match and he's horrible and he did gr8 in last when she's not.

Gee, one time where Ron succeeded when he's was emotionally upset. Oh. I don't. Killing the locket, maybe? Stabbing the Horcrux while the ghostly images of his best friend and girlfriend made out with each other and taunted him.

Actually, Hermione only missed one Quidditch game and Ron didn't do horribly and every game he played (*cough*gameinHPB*cough*). Hermione was there at his tryouts. Hermione was there when Ron played on the giant chess board in PS/SS. And when he helped Harry defeat the troll. And in The Department of Mysteries. And in the Ministry of Magic. And in the final battle at Hogwarts.

Locket-- Harry was there constanly shouting to stab the locket. It prevented Ron to get confused between what is illusion and what's exactly goin' on.

HBP Quid. Game- He was thinking that he'd taken Felix Felicis.

Chess in SS/PS- He'd not feelings for Hermione then.

DoM- Was he really impressive there? (Confundus Charm, Accio Brain!!)

Battle of Hogwarts( HBP)- Felix Felicis.

MoM (DH)- He was incredibly nervous that led to splinching.

Locket: Does it matter? The whole reason he left in the first place was because he was suspicious about the relationship between Harry and Hermione. The locket exaggerated the emotions, but the emotions were still there. Having that fear and then seeing that image would upset anybody. Regardless of his friend (who was suspect) shouting anything at him.

HPB: But he hadn't. Everything that happened was all due to his own talent.

Chess: And you know this because...? It never said when Ron and Hermione developed feelings for each other. They certain didn't act any differently when they started dating, so who's to say he didn't have a crush on Hermione then?

DoM: Did he die? Did he defend himself? Did he rush to his friend's aid without even thinking about it? Yeah, I'd say that it's pretty impressive.

I meant the battle in DH - hence the 'final' part.

MoM: Hermione was the one that apparated them, first off, and there was more to that entire scene that just the apparition. They broke into the Voldemort/Death Eater controlled ministry, stole the locket, freed a bunch of people, and made it out alive.

Another possible explanation for Ron being able to do it would be if he'd practiced it with Harry sometime after the chamber had been opened. I speak Portuguese and my friends constantly ask me how to say certain words and phrase in Portuguese (I admit mostly swear words :-P)...hmmmm, I now have a mental picture of Ron and Harry running around the Burrows during their holidays swearing in parsletongue at everything an everyone (mostly at Percy)

Ron never suspected Harry. He thought that Hermione had a sort of crush on Harry. She always stick up with him, gave him hair-cut and did many things which made Ron to suspect that she loves Harry. Harry dated Cho and Ginny. He also wasn't as confusing as Hermione about his feelings.

HBP QUIDDITCH----- I'm not saying that he's not talented. But nervousness and his low self-esteem gets into his way. He's a talented Keeper and Harry knew it. He also knew what happened to Ron when he gets nervous. The whole Felix Felicis stunt he pulled was to make Ron think that things will go his way which made him confident.
Look, Harry only did it because he knew that Ron never gives his best when he's scared or nervous..
That proves my point!!
Ron only noticed Hermione as a girl in 4th year. Before asking her he said---"Ginny's right, you're a girl Hermione"
Means, it took Ginny and being laid down by a girl (Fleur) to realise him that she indeed was a girl. In SS/PS, he was friend with her for only months and he was TWELVE. I mean you might have a crush at this age but considring Ron and how he treated Hermione (calling her a "nightmare") it was nearly impossible that he had a crush on her.
DoM---- That was pretty loyal and brave of him. But that's not what I'm denying...

RON IS LOYAL, BRAVE, CAN-BE-INTELLIGENT-AT-TIMES, CARING, BUT NOT THE BEST WORKER IN PRESSURE AND WHEN HE'S SCARED... (Aren't we deviating from the topic???)

All are incredibly unrealistic.

@silverdoe
glad you agree!!:)

@RealBenTennyson:

HPB: Except, Ron's won games in the past and he won games after that.

Sweetie. He's a guy. And a teenage guy at that. They never say what they're really thinking and feeling. And he treated her, not only the same way he did when they actually started dating, but how all teenage boys treat girls that they like.

And it was Neville, not Ginny. Neville asked Hermione to the Yule Ball, Fleur turned him down, and that's what triggered the comment.

DoM: But he performed beautifully, did he not? There was nothing about his fear or anything there.

And, yeah. We've gotten just a tad off topic...

Yeah! it's Neville. But JKR herself said that Ron started having feelings for her during 4th year. She told that Chrish Columbus hinted in CoS what she was goin' to show in GoF.

He defenitely is brave. It does take courage for a 15 year-old boy to fight death-eaters. Again, I'm not denying it.

Harry knows it too well that Ron never gives his best when nervous. That's why he pulled the whole Felix Felicis stunt.

Hm, tbh, I don't put much stock in what JK thinks of her characters. Don't get me wrong - I love the woman. She's intelligent, inspiring, caring, and an amazing writer. I have nothing but mad respect for her. But this is the woman who can't understand why so many people prefer Draco and Severus over Harry, the "perfect" hero; the woman who still thinks Dumbledore is the be-all-end-all of saintliness; and James was a wonderful person through and through. JK's brilliant - there's no denying that - but she's not very self-aware of how her characters are. There's huge clues all through out the series about Ron and Hermione's feelings - even before the fourth book.

Again. He performed perfectly fine then. His nerves didn't bother him at all.

And the other games that Ron did fine at? Harry didn't pretend to slip Felix Felicis to Ron at every game.

All the way:P

ok, about the "James is a Headboy" thing ... it's Dumbledore's choice right ? So, who are we to judge ? LOL ok, just kidding !

I think James started to change in year 6. Remember? when he saved Severus? Severus thought he was doing it just to save his friends. But I think it's because deep inside his heart he really is a good man, we only ever see James from memory when he bullying Severus or when he died. We don't know what he was doing other than bullying, create chaos, etc..
Dumbledore wouldn't be possible to choose James if he hasn't changed. He must have been very careful to choose a Headboy. I think being a Headboy, you must be clever in leadership, and considering James is like the leader of Marauders then yeah ...

I'm sorry if my explanation or my English are bad. I'm not very good :/

@reibykathblack

James indeed was a good man. There's no denying. But he's not the best student. He's a prankster, a bully. You honestly can't expect a person to change suddenly in a year so much that from a trouble maker he beacame the ideal student and leader. Yes, love does changes people, but that much?

Actually, reiby, we get information from other characters too. And they said that James was a prankster - and the Marauders in general are described as being worse than the Weasley twins (McGonagall and Hagrid tell us this in book three). And, since we know the pranks and bullying didn't stop (as Sirius and Lupin tell us) him being Headboy doesn't make any sense.

@bri-marie

For once we agree on same thing.

Haha!

I quite agree with your comment RealBenTennyson about Harry suddenly noticing Ginny after 6 years of playing big brother role.

All are unrealistic~~~~~~

This one is most

^^ Agree

Yeah!!

One of the wrost ever pairings - Harinny never really made sense to me!

For about five years the talk of Ginny embarrasses Harry and the sixth part comes out and wham! He has a monster in his chest now! EXTREMELY UNREALISTIC.

I can accept Romione to an extent but Harinny is utterly unrealistic!

Ron speaking Parseltongue was sort of acceptable. and about James being Head Boy - well, its what JK chose so there is nothing much we can do about it!

Debunking the fangirl theory is so easy...

Harry does not like fangirls. Harry married Ginny. Therefore Ginny is not a fangirl.

Piece of cake!

For the first 2, it's basically "people change". James did grow up - and that happens all the time. You're just choosing to ignore that fact because it was Sirius and Remus who actually said he did. But other people's opinions about him suggest the fact.

Again, Ginny grew up. She followed Hermione's advice, stopped being such a fangirl, moved on. If she'd remained a fangirl, Harry would never have seen her as anything more than Ron's little sister who unfortunately had a crush on him.

Ron's Parseltongue is the most unrealistic. I guess he's just meant to have a phonetic memory. It's a bit like people memorising phrases or words from foreign languages just by hearing them, with no idea what they actually mean.

Just doesn't make sense.

The last time Ron heard Harry speak parseltongue wasn't five years ago, it was more like four months (Christmas/Dec - Easter/April).

Still a long time for him to remember it well enough to repeat. I only think it's unrealistic because he's shown no sign of a phonetic memory before then.

^ Exactly.

" I only think it's unrealistic because he's shown no sign of a phonetic memory before then."

He did with Wingardium Leviosa in his first year.

Besides, I was merely pointing out that it had been four months since Ron last heard Harry speak parseltongue, not five years as the question maker claimed.

Remembering an incantation's pronunciation after it's been corrected for you is a lot easier than remembering an exact hiss months after hearing it.