To say that my lack of acknowledgement and involvement concerning Rachel has to do with her Просмотры would be untrue. I am sure we could go through many various categories of right and wrong, and I have at least one specific topic I could point out to cripple a part of her statement (that is unless she has rebuked it since last mentioning it), but that is not why I have no interest in having any kind of Дебаты with her.
Shadowxsonicd24 (I apologize if the Имя пользователя was misspelled или misnumbered) Опубликовано on the club about a месяц назад concerning spam-comments. During this they made accusations against me saying things like “This isn’t Tak’s site” and as many remember, did not seem to grasp what I was trying to tell them. However shortly after, Shadowxsonic Опубликовано an Статья bringing up the club rules and discussed their case, and did so in a very respectful and understanding way. We talked it over like mature people and came to an agreed upon conclusion.
I have not forgotten some of the less needed Комментарии Shadowxsonic has Опубликовано since then but I feel that example helps people understand a bit what I’m getting at.
Rachel is not reasonable. She is not interested in being told she is wrong. I had two conversations with her before this and it did not go well but I understand it’s best to explain the full story.
Months назад I had Опубликовано a Комментарий on my own Facebook account saying something along the lines of “I do not like censorship but I’d rather have that then put up with impurity”. Rachel decided after seeing this that I was saying I’m above everyone else, and made snappy remarks like “You better not do that или you’re going to Hell”.
Let me just point this out before I continue; my post had nothing to do with
~Rules
~Rachel
~or the club.
It was Опубликовано on my Профиль alone and that is all it was related to.
Obviously I did not appreciate what she had сказал(-а) to me, especially considering we were on good grounds at the time, and enjoying a Facebook roleplay of “DNA Catastrophe”. I can understand having some kind of negative reaction to me not liking bad things (how dare I) but someone I called a friend at that point going to my own Профиль and blasting out against me like that for everyone to see, was simply uncalled for.
So I removed her Комментарии and did what she should have done to begin with; talk to her in private. I addressed calmly to her that I did not appreciate what she сказал(-а) and asked that if she disagreed with me she talked about it with me in private instead of exploding. But of course this was met with Rachel getting on my case for being on a high-horse.
This went on for a while but what it boiled down to was the rules. She had a problem with the rules. She had been bottling up everything and it was the rules that lay behind her baseless accusations against me.
I attempted in this conversation to redirect things back to where it started; what she сказал(-а) on my post, but Rachel wasn’t having that. She continued to attack me because of the community rules, and refused to acknowledge that she had talked in a manner was not neither needed nor productive.
She likes to say she’s дана me a reality-check. In actuality she hasn’t. I would say she gave me one in the sense of knowing what kind of person she is, but that isn’t surprising regardless. The fact is that it wasn’t a reality-check, it was just a bag of baseless insults.
Whether или not Ты have something helpful to tell someone; whether или not what Ты have to say is true или not, don’t Ты think coming to a person and calmly discussing it would make them want to listen and believe Ты еще than going over and attacking them? It’s a no-brainer quite frankly.
The fact is that until that point, Rachel had made NO statement against the rules WHATSOEVER. In fact, one of her Комментарии on the Sonic Фан Characters Facebook group (Which apparently got removed after the multiple rule-edits when we added bases and such to it) even acknowledged that she was willing to work with them.
This was LITERALLY the FIRST time she had EVER expressed a desire to change the rules, but instead of going “Hey Tak, can we talk over the rules” she decided to leap at me with completely overblown accusations, and had it in her head that I was being controlling.
I was not interested in discussing things with her further. She didn’t want to listen to anything I had to say, there was no point in trying to reason with her. So, I stopped talking to her.
I stopped replying to her roleplay answers, and did not acknowledge when she made a new one. Some may find this unfair, but pardon me if I do not enjoy people going “I know I just attacked Ты out of nowhere but let’s be Друзья again. I know I didn’t apologize или give any reason to be talked to again but it doesn’t matter.”
She eventually became fed up with this and Опубликовано on my Animus Rising Roleplay addressing my lack of responses. I decided to give it another go and responded to her, informing Rachel that she was not excused of what she сказал(-а) and did. Apparently she felt as though there was no problem anymore. Why?
She didn’t remember what happened. I quote “I don't remember. So it obviously couldn't have been anything too important.” Basically she didn’t care so I shouldn’t either. She didn’t think it was important, so I shouldn’t think it’s important.
This went on for a while and no progress was being made so I simply stopped replying all-together. I would not attack her but I would not interact with her. Rachel continued to be a part of the club for a while after that until recently when she Опубликовано the homosexual roleplay, which of course is against the community rules.
This is the largest thing forgotten by those who have selective memories, so I’ll repeat it ONCE AGAIN.
TWO MONTHS. TWO MONTHS of me saying “These are what I’m suggesting for the rules. Anyone who wants to discuss them, please do so.” TWO MONTHS to bring up any problems. I did not intimidate. I did not discourage.
Let it also be known that I have put up with every problem people have had concerning the rules and frankly I shouldn’t have had to.
Ты all know what happened next. So will I hear her out? I already have, but this was not a mutual thing. I have not insulted Rachel, nor have I attacked her. I have warned, and asked, and been as calm and respectful as one could ask.
So do I agree to her terms? No. I will not. I do not consider her challenge valid nor do I care to meet it. Quite frankly I could care less how many times she calls me a coward, but clearly she is the problem here.
I can handle someone coming after me. Ты all know this. However I do not, and will not, tolerate the incredible lack of respect she has for anyone who feels the same way I do. It is not acceptable that they should be labeled as “minions”, “brainwashed”, “controlled”, или otherwise.
Say what Ты want about me, but Ты have no right to insult their intelligence by thinking for one минута they would be STUPID enough to be “brainwashed” by me. By saying that Ты ARE calling them less of people, and Ты are making an incredible mistake.
Concerning the club and its state, I am tired of people saying “The club is dead”, “the club is in trouble” all the time. Do Ты know why that is happening? THIS is why. This debate. This name-calling. These insults. What have Ты been doing otherwise to help promote and spread out club?
I have gone to large communities and promoted our club. I manage both Fanpop and Facebook communities. I contribute regularly. I reach out to individuals one at a time. That is what spreads the club.
To say I am a dictator for simply having standards, and sticking to them, is wrong. This is our club, and yes those are the rules. If Ты do not like this kind of club then Ты can make your own. If Ты are not the kind of Фан who enjoys what we stand for, then Ты can go elsewhere to those who share your mindset. Ты do NOT get to force what Ты want done on those who agree and stand by the club standards.
Homosexuality DOES affect how many people are part of the club, and people DO leave because of it. Just recently a member told me that they wanted to leave because they were not willing to put up with having homosexuality in this community, and I cannot blame them. It IS harmful and it IS a problem for those who believe it to be wrong.
Ты don’t have to agree with it. Ты don’t have to understand it. But Ты do need to respect it.
If I am a leader it is not because I proclaimed myself as such. I have never made such a claim. I have acted in this club, and done what I can wherever I can to help it, and with every group decision I make it just that, a group decision. If people look to me for leadership, do not think for a секунда that I WANT to have that pressure.
If I am a leader of this community it is with great humility and respect. I am NOT tolerant of disrespect for the rules WE have set, but I am not unreasonable.
Let this be known. I made the Facebook Community for Rachel_Savaya specifically, because she could not get on Fanpop at the time. I expected no gift in return, but what I did expect was at the very least a form of respect.
Had she acted in a way of being respectful, not just to me, but everyone, this issue would not be here. Do I need to remind everyone that I wasn’t the one who decided not to have a Опрос concerning homosexuality in this club? I was not for it, but I did not say “we aren’t doing it”. I have дана every opportunity for people to bring up their issues and talk like adults.
~Beby decided to simply blast away at me and then leave.
~Smartone decided to bring up her argument, then say “let’s stop” before I could respond, and then leave.
~Now Rachel has decided I am Hitler.
Before I finish this, let me say this one last thing. I am not afraid, and not just of Rachel. I am not afraid of ANY of you, not because I don’t think Ты can “dethrone” me. Ты can. I am not afraid because I know many of Ты who ARE reasonable, people I CAN rely on, and people I give my utmost respect towards.
~Solarsonic11
~Mephiles97
~Shadowwolf337
~Emeraldcoast55
~Matt
~Grace
No matter the differences I can respect and talk with understanding with these people.
Rachel, Ты have Остаться в живых your right to be a part of this community. Ты do not talk, Ты scream, and insult, and attack. Ты make baseless accusations and I am not tolerating them further.
If I were just as bad as Mephilesthedark, I would ask everyone to remove you. Ты know what I am going to ask?
I’m asking Ты to leave, and bring your hate with you. Anyone “cowardly” enough to stand by me can ask the same. Anyone who doesn’t I will not think less of.
Shadowxsonicd24 (I apologize if the Имя пользователя was misspelled или misnumbered) Опубликовано on the club about a месяц назад concerning spam-comments. During this they made accusations against me saying things like “This isn’t Tak’s site” and as many remember, did not seem to grasp what I was trying to tell them. However shortly after, Shadowxsonic Опубликовано an Статья bringing up the club rules and discussed their case, and did so in a very respectful and understanding way. We talked it over like mature people and came to an agreed upon conclusion.
I have not forgotten some of the less needed Комментарии Shadowxsonic has Опубликовано since then but I feel that example helps people understand a bit what I’m getting at.
Rachel is not reasonable. She is not interested in being told she is wrong. I had two conversations with her before this and it did not go well but I understand it’s best to explain the full story.
Months назад I had Опубликовано a Комментарий on my own Facebook account saying something along the lines of “I do not like censorship but I’d rather have that then put up with impurity”. Rachel decided after seeing this that I was saying I’m above everyone else, and made snappy remarks like “You better not do that или you’re going to Hell”.
Let me just point this out before I continue; my post had nothing to do with
~Rules
~Rachel
~or the club.
It was Опубликовано on my Профиль alone and that is all it was related to.
Obviously I did not appreciate what she had сказал(-а) to me, especially considering we were on good grounds at the time, and enjoying a Facebook roleplay of “DNA Catastrophe”. I can understand having some kind of negative reaction to me not liking bad things (how dare I) but someone I called a friend at that point going to my own Профиль and blasting out against me like that for everyone to see, was simply uncalled for.
So I removed her Комментарии and did what she should have done to begin with; talk to her in private. I addressed calmly to her that I did not appreciate what she сказал(-а) and asked that if she disagreed with me she talked about it with me in private instead of exploding. But of course this was met with Rachel getting on my case for being on a high-horse.
This went on for a while but what it boiled down to was the rules. She had a problem with the rules. She had been bottling up everything and it was the rules that lay behind her baseless accusations against me.
I attempted in this conversation to redirect things back to where it started; what she сказал(-а) on my post, but Rachel wasn’t having that. She continued to attack me because of the community rules, and refused to acknowledge that she had talked in a manner was not neither needed nor productive.
She likes to say she’s дана me a reality-check. In actuality she hasn’t. I would say she gave me one in the sense of knowing what kind of person she is, but that isn’t surprising regardless. The fact is that it wasn’t a reality-check, it was just a bag of baseless insults.
Whether или not Ты have something helpful to tell someone; whether или not what Ты have to say is true или not, don’t Ты think coming to a person and calmly discussing it would make them want to listen and believe Ты еще than going over and attacking them? It’s a no-brainer quite frankly.
The fact is that until that point, Rachel had made NO statement against the rules WHATSOEVER. In fact, one of her Комментарии on the Sonic Фан Characters Facebook group (Which apparently got removed after the multiple rule-edits when we added bases and such to it) even acknowledged that she was willing to work with them.
This was LITERALLY the FIRST time she had EVER expressed a desire to change the rules, but instead of going “Hey Tak, can we talk over the rules” she decided to leap at me with completely overblown accusations, and had it in her head that I was being controlling.
I was not interested in discussing things with her further. She didn’t want to listen to anything I had to say, there was no point in trying to reason with her. So, I stopped talking to her.
I stopped replying to her roleplay answers, and did not acknowledge when she made a new one. Some may find this unfair, but pardon me if I do not enjoy people going “I know I just attacked Ты out of nowhere but let’s be Друзья again. I know I didn’t apologize или give any reason to be talked to again but it doesn’t matter.”
She eventually became fed up with this and Опубликовано on my Animus Rising Roleplay addressing my lack of responses. I decided to give it another go and responded to her, informing Rachel that she was not excused of what she сказал(-а) and did. Apparently she felt as though there was no problem anymore. Why?
She didn’t remember what happened. I quote “I don't remember. So it obviously couldn't have been anything too important.” Basically she didn’t care so I shouldn’t either. She didn’t think it was important, so I shouldn’t think it’s important.
This went on for a while and no progress was being made so I simply stopped replying all-together. I would not attack her but I would not interact with her. Rachel continued to be a part of the club for a while after that until recently when she Опубликовано the homosexual roleplay, which of course is against the community rules.
This is the largest thing forgotten by those who have selective memories, so I’ll repeat it ONCE AGAIN.
TWO MONTHS. TWO MONTHS of me saying “These are what I’m suggesting for the rules. Anyone who wants to discuss them, please do so.” TWO MONTHS to bring up any problems. I did not intimidate. I did not discourage.
Let it also be known that I have put up with every problem people have had concerning the rules and frankly I shouldn’t have had to.
Ты all know what happened next. So will I hear her out? I already have, but this was not a mutual thing. I have not insulted Rachel, nor have I attacked her. I have warned, and asked, and been as calm and respectful as one could ask.
So do I agree to her terms? No. I will not. I do not consider her challenge valid nor do I care to meet it. Quite frankly I could care less how many times she calls me a coward, but clearly she is the problem here.
I can handle someone coming after me. Ты all know this. However I do not, and will not, tolerate the incredible lack of respect she has for anyone who feels the same way I do. It is not acceptable that they should be labeled as “minions”, “brainwashed”, “controlled”, или otherwise.
Say what Ты want about me, but Ты have no right to insult their intelligence by thinking for one минута they would be STUPID enough to be “brainwashed” by me. By saying that Ты ARE calling them less of people, and Ты are making an incredible mistake.
Concerning the club and its state, I am tired of people saying “The club is dead”, “the club is in trouble” all the time. Do Ты know why that is happening? THIS is why. This debate. This name-calling. These insults. What have Ты been doing otherwise to help promote and spread out club?
I have gone to large communities and promoted our club. I manage both Fanpop and Facebook communities. I contribute regularly. I reach out to individuals one at a time. That is what spreads the club.
To say I am a dictator for simply having standards, and sticking to them, is wrong. This is our club, and yes those are the rules. If Ты do not like this kind of club then Ты can make your own. If Ты are not the kind of Фан who enjoys what we stand for, then Ты can go elsewhere to those who share your mindset. Ты do NOT get to force what Ты want done on those who agree and stand by the club standards.
Homosexuality DOES affect how many people are part of the club, and people DO leave because of it. Just recently a member told me that they wanted to leave because they were not willing to put up with having homosexuality in this community, and I cannot blame them. It IS harmful and it IS a problem for those who believe it to be wrong.
Ты don’t have to agree with it. Ты don’t have to understand it. But Ты do need to respect it.
If I am a leader it is not because I proclaimed myself as such. I have never made such a claim. I have acted in this club, and done what I can wherever I can to help it, and with every group decision I make it just that, a group decision. If people look to me for leadership, do not think for a секунда that I WANT to have that pressure.
If I am a leader of this community it is with great humility and respect. I am NOT tolerant of disrespect for the rules WE have set, but I am not unreasonable.
Let this be known. I made the Facebook Community for Rachel_Savaya specifically, because she could not get on Fanpop at the time. I expected no gift in return, but what I did expect was at the very least a form of respect.
Had she acted in a way of being respectful, not just to me, but everyone, this issue would not be here. Do I need to remind everyone that I wasn’t the one who decided not to have a Опрос concerning homosexuality in this club? I was not for it, but I did not say “we aren’t doing it”. I have дана every opportunity for people to bring up their issues and talk like adults.
~Beby decided to simply blast away at me and then leave.
~Smartone decided to bring up her argument, then say “let’s stop” before I could respond, and then leave.
~Now Rachel has decided I am Hitler.
Before I finish this, let me say this one last thing. I am not afraid, and not just of Rachel. I am not afraid of ANY of you, not because I don’t think Ты can “dethrone” me. Ты can. I am not afraid because I know many of Ты who ARE reasonable, people I CAN rely on, and people I give my utmost respect towards.
~Solarsonic11
~Mephiles97
~Shadowwolf337
~Emeraldcoast55
~Matt
~Grace
No matter the differences I can respect and talk with understanding with these people.
Rachel, Ты have Остаться в живых your right to be a part of this community. Ты do not talk, Ты scream, and insult, and attack. Ты make baseless accusations and I am not tolerating them further.
If I were just as bad as Mephilesthedark, I would ask everyone to remove you. Ты know what I am going to ask?
I’m asking Ты to leave, and bring your hate with you. Anyone “cowardly” enough to stand by me can ask the same. Anyone who doesn’t I will not think less of.
