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Cinders posted on Mar 07, 2008 at 01:04AM
"WASHINGTON, March 6 /Christian Newswire/ -- Deerfield High School in Deerfield, Illinois, had assigned the pornographic book "Angels in America: A Gay Fantasia on National Themes" to students as required reading. When a group of outraged parents found out, they filed a formal complaint. Now the book has been changed to an "optional title," meaning kids may still select the book for peer study under the direction of a teacher.

The book is replete with profanity, overt racism through multiple uses of the N-word, an explicit description of a sex act involving Mother Theresa and some of the most graphic, vile and vivid depictions of homosexual anal sodomy every put in print."

The above is an link of a ludicrous conservative article that wouldn't know good literature if it bit them on their pompous ass.

Angels in America came before RENT!, before modern TV series depicting gays in a positive light, and was written during the Reagan era when the AIDS issue was being blatantly ignored. It is a commentary on what it was to be gay with or without AIDS in 1985 and it is a major part of literature. It is historical, raw, magical portrayal of very conflicted and deep characters.

I hate literary censorship in general, but calling Angels "porn" is outrageous. Are there parts that the average person would consider vulgar? Well definitely. There are sex scenes, swearing, and racial and sexual slurs, but it's NO WORSE THAN WHAT YOUR KIDS WATCH ON TV OR THE MOVIES!

I had to read God of Small Things in MY English class in which there is a graphic scene of an adult male molesting a young boy. EVERYONE in my class handled it maturely and commented about how it effected the boy as a character, and in relation to the rest of the novel. It's significance to the plot, and his relationship with his twin sister, etc.

I read Angels in college and it was one of the most interesting pieces we had to read (among them: Death of a Salesman, A Doll's House and Explanation for Foreigners).

MY question is (and feel free to click on the link to the explicit scenes to see for yourself) do you feel this is appropriate for high schoolers to read? My opinion is obvious... But what do you guys think? Please don't be intimidated by me. I'm just ranting.

EDIT: If this intrigues you, I posted the full Angels in America HBO miniseries in the link
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Больше года Snerkie said…
umm...show me a kids show with detailed sex scenes and then i will take the comparison, lol.

I don't think a book with so much detail in it is appropriate for children, and i'm not talking about just gay people doing it, i mean anyone of any race, the description of it isn't really something that should be forced to be read in school.
Больше года Cinders said…
Except note that that is a biased article.

Angels in America Part One is only quoted once in their list of explicit scenes. It's not as "graphic" as they suggest it is, especially as it is a play therefor the stage directions are simplistic and unembellished.

The story is excellent for English class because of its rampant symbolism and motifs that flow through the text.

And it's not given to kids who watch cartoons, it's given to kids watching Law and Order SVU and other such shows that discuss worse sexual activity than this play.
Больше года DrDevience said…
High school aged teens are not children... we are not discussing 5 yr olds here. We are discussing an age group that once upon a time in America would have already been married, working the farm, and have 3 kids of their own...
Больше года DrDevience said…
Opps.. so um yeah I'm with Cinders ;)
Больше года Cinders said…
By the way, might I add, that the "rampant uses of the N-word" is to show how racism is still prominent in our society. It's not promoting the use of the word.
Больше года Snerkie said…
personally i wouldn't want to have to be forced to read something with sex scene descriptions. People may not see high schoolers as "children" but they really are, down at heart most of them are still children and don't have the maturity to read something from what this sounds like. If it's something to have to be read in college then yeah fine that makes sense, but not high school.
Больше года katiemariie said…
My first reaction to the title was "Yes, please."

This is ridonkulous. Most freshman have to read To Kill a Mockingbird (lots of N-word use), the House on Mango Street (spoiler: main character is gang raped and sexual harassed), and Romeo & Juliet (everybody and their mom is murdered or commits suicide). Just because Angels in America has OMG TEH HOMOZ in it does not make it profane.

People need to be less uptight about their kids learning about sex anyways.
Больше года Snerkie said…
katiemariie...maybe it's also the childrens choice that they don't want to read about sex scenes?

Is the age group that has been reading this like 16-18? or older? i think that's what i don't understand the most as ages are different in the states with high schools and it doesn't note what year they are in or whatever.
Больше года DrDevience said…
See, and I think just the opposite: That people are way over protective of High School aged people. I give them much more credit than most folks seem to these days.
Больше года Cinders said…
Exactly. High schoolers are underestimated. Like I said, about God of Small Things which involved a molestation scene, that was handled very maturely by the students involved.

I think the age group involved would be 16-18. Angels isn't exactly your typical freshman reading. But it DID win a Pulitzer AND a Tony Award. It is beautiful literature that says a LOT. I recommend reading the play script or watching the HBO miniseries, because it is seriously mind-blowing. I read Angels Part One (Millennium Approaches) and watched the HBO Miniseries which included part two and... Well, I'm in love.

It all comes down to censorship: Great literature often shows the ugliest and most beautiful sides of humanity. Often times sex is included in one or both of those depictions. Society in my mind puts too much emphasis on sex and makes it to be this big deal. It's not vulgar, it's not a sin, it just is. If we taught our children to just accept it rather than to fear it as a taboo topic of conversation, this wouldn't even be an issue.

Why is everyone afraid of sex in the first place?
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Больше года Zerstoren said…
I dont see a problem with letting highschoolers read material like this.

Personally, things that focus on sex annoy me and I wouldn't want to read something with a lot of it.
Больше года Snerkie said…
No one is "afraid" of sex, it's a choice if you want to have to read a graphical sex scene or not. This being a book in a high school means they had no choice whether to read it or not, that would piss me off royally as i wouldn't want to. Sorry but i'm not into the whole knowing about other people doing it.

Everyone feels differently about things though, but i know that the people in my school last year (last year i was in year 12) could never take something a mature way, maybe 10 out of 100 people could but that's it.
Больше года Cinders said…
But as I said, it isn't that "graphic." If you're just reading the play, there are frank stage directions but nothing that can be called "pornographic."

Again, I bring up God of Small Things. And katiemariie brought up The House on Mango Street which is also required reading. I've never read the latter, but I know that I was glad to be exposed to literature like God of Small Things and Angels in America. Because neither of them is a text that focuses on sex as a central theme. They both focus on life, and living, and that includes sex sometimes, as life often does.

Maybe my HS was different than others. Maybe it was my IB class. But even folks who were generally immature about other things handled God of Small Things well. I discussed it a lot with my mother, who had also read it, and it was a fascinating discussion. It didn't bother her that it was a little uncouth because that was the times and culture they lived in (India and the caste class structure.)