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posted by Dragonclaws
 Internet humor describing the Edward/Bella relationship as pedophilia
Internet humor describing the Edward/Bella relationship as pedophilia
Among the various criticisms thrown out against Twilight is the allegation that the series promotes pedophilia. This is generally in reference to the relationship between Jacob and Renesmee, but sometimes it refers to the relationship between Edward and Bella because of their significant age differences. I believe that this is a misunderstanding of what Автор Stephenie Meyer intended to portray here, which is not true pedophilia, and is not immoral in and of itself.

Pedophilia is a type of paraphilia in which mature adults feel sexual attraction to prepubescent children. This (unhealthy) attraction is pretty much the same as healthy attraction in that it includes infatuation, sexual fantasies, and sexual urges. Pedophiles are not synonymous with child molesters, as child molesters are specifically pedophiles who act on their urges and commit evil as a result. Pedophilia should also not be confused with ephebophilia, which is a paraphila in which mature adults feel sexual attraction to teenagers. In Twilight, the semblance of pedophilia is introduced within the concept of imprinting.

Imprinting is an involuntary biological phenomenon experienced by the Quileute волк shapeshifters in which they develop an intense infatuation with their soul mates, and their soul mates likewise become infatuated with them. Age knows no limits in this imprinting business, and Волки Jacob and Quil find themselves imprinting with infant children. Imprinting is distinct from pedophilia in that there is no sexual attraction felt by the Волки when the imprintee is prepubescent, only an intense infatuation that grows into romantic Любовь as the imprintee matures. I’ll note again that the attraction is mutual. The case with Quil and his imprintee Claire portrays him as nothing еще than an incredibly devoted babysitter who truly cares about making her happy, in contrast to most adults who would only humor her seemingly inane games. The case of Jacob and Renesmee, while similar, is far еще complicated by Renesmee’s unusual characteristics.

Renesmee is not your normal kid. A vampire-human hybrid, she is enormously intelligent in addition to possessing great physical strength and the ability to project her thoughts into other persons’ heads to communicate telepathically. Unlike most babies, she became self-aware three days before she was born. During this time, she became imprinted with Jacob, and somewhat influenced her mother Bella with her mental powers. So, at the moment of birth she was fully intelligent and able to communicate her desires telepathically, which takes things pretty far away from the model of pedophilia that is justifiably understood as bad. Resemee physically matures at a great speed, her intelligence doesn’t diminish, and is infatuated with Jacob right back. Stephenie Meyer even takes a moment to assert that pedophilia is not what is being portrayed here, albeit in an implicit manner.

Bella: “You think you’ll be part of my family as my son-in-law!”
Jacob: “No! How can Ты even look at it that way? She’s just a baby, for crying out loud!”
Bella: “That’s my point!”
Jacob: “You know I don’t think of her that way! Do Ты think Edward would have let me live this long if I did? All I want is for her to be безопасно, сейф and happy—is that so bad? So different from what Ты want?”
--Breaking Dawn, page 450

Aside from the Jacob/Renesmee relationship, there is the comparison of the Edward/Bella relationship, which is also frequently described as pedophilic. Bella is a physically mature teenager, as is Edward, but their age difference is significant, дана that Bella looks her age while Edward is over a hundred years old due to his unchanging vampire body. A lot of folks see this as pedophilia, but if anything it’s ephebophilia – attraction to adolescents, not prepubescents. It’s not really the same issue as pedophilia anyway, because there’s no exploitation in the relationship as a result of the age difference (arguably there could be exploitation elsewhere, but that’s a different subject). Ты could argue it’s statutory rape, but I’ve got issues with that law in general for assigning an arbitrary age to the ability to consent, denying legitimate individuals the agency to conduct their lives as they see fit. Bella is seventeen and on the upside of that restriction, anyway.

Is it strange? Yes… As someone I read somewhere noted, it would be seen as crazy and repugnant for a teenager to дата someone’s aged grandfather, and Edward’s true age makes him similar to such. The main difference is that Вампиры are immortal. If they’re going to live forever and humans aren’t, then eventually all of humanity would be way too young for them by general standards. We like to think of age as making us better, but the facts are that when we reach a certain age our intelligences and physical beings begin to diminish, so a hundred-year-old vampire cannot have a good romance with a hundred-year-old human. They would have to дата someone several decades younger than themselves to have a satisfactory relationship. It would still probably be seen as еще acceptable to have the human be middle-aged или around there because it is seen as a good thing for people to дата closer to their age group, but I think of that as unfound ageist prejudices. If they are both mentally mature and consenting, I’ve got no problem with it.

In the criticism of Twilight’s atypical ages in the series’ relationships, I often see moral outrage with little explanation of why what’s being described is bad. The usual is something like “Jacob is a pedophile. That’s bad! Ты like that? You’re bad too!” Even questioning if it really is bad is seen as horrible because it so obviously is bad to the person Письмо the criticism. I’d like to challenge that.

I think pedophilia in and of itself is not good, but not explicitly bad just so long as the pedophiles don’t act on it. Quoth Dumbledore (Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, page 333), “It is our choices… that Показать what we truly are, far еще than our abilities.” I think child molesters are bad because what they do is rape. Here in the real world, young children are unable to give consent because they lack experience and understanding, and are exploited because of the authority of the adult child molester. This is bad… because of the rape aspect.

Twilight’s imprinting is not the same. For one thing, it’s not pedophilia. For another, there is no rape involved, only devotion. As Jacob describes Quil’s experience via their mental link (Eclipse, page 176), “There’s nothing romantic about it at all… It’s еще like . . . gravity moves. When Ты see her, suddenly it’s not the earth holding Ты here anymore. She does. And nothing matters еще than her. And Ты would do anything for her, be anything for her.” When the imprintee ages, romance naturally develops because the two personalities fit together еще than anyone else in the world, actually being soul mates. Again, the attraction is mutual, so that stuff Jacob describes from Quil’s perspective is basically how Claire feels right back at Quil. Imprinting is not pedophilia, so the usual concerns about pedophilia cannot be used.

I’ll take it a step farther and suggest that even if Jacob were a pedophile, which he’s not, it wouldn’t necessarily be bad because of Renesmee’s intelligence and probable ability to consent at an earlier age than most people. I’ll note that I do not advocate literal pedophiliac acts in the real world (that’s rape), but in specific fictional situations the circumstances are different enough to revise our Модели of the ability to consent. I’ll bring up two other works of fiction to make my point: an episode of Star Trek, and the movie The Curious Case of Benjamin Button (I didn’t read the story it was based on, so note that this is strictly the movie version).

In the Star Trek: The Далее Generation episode “Rascals”, a mysterious transporter accident (those things are responsible for the wackiest plotlines) transforms crew members Picard, Guinan, Ro Laren, and Keiko O’Brien into their twelve-year-old selves. No one reacts to the regressed folks the same way as before the accident, and are inclined to treat them like normal children, notably with the bridge crew regarding themselves as superior to their captain because of his physical body looking like a boy. After a hard day, Keiko acts the way she usually does with her husband – romantically and intimately. He freaks out and flees, unable to reconcile the fact that his wife has regressed physically but is otherwise the same person. Instead of the doctor trying to find a way to reproduce this miracle, a cure is found; the original actors take their parts back; Picard misses his hair; the end.

In The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Benjamin Button is a boy, er, man, er, male character that was born with the physical body of an old man in baby-size, who grew up into a short old man. As he aged, his body physically regressed. This leads to a couple strange scenes where we have interaction between two characters that seem to have a giant age difference but do not. In the first, Benjamin is physically an old man interacting with six-year-old маргаритка in an intimate childhood way. One must remind themselves that Benjamin is really a little boy. Likewise, when both are old and Benjamin looks like a young boy, their physical romance looks really strange, but they are both adults despite how Benjamin may appear.

I will propose that physical appearance need not be the determining factor, but rather mental state. In the (curious) cases of Keiko O’Brien and Benjamin Button, we have adults occupying the bodies of children. If (other) adults should engage in sexual relationships with them, I don’t think it’s any different from the same scenario where everyone has the usual body. If they were to have sexual relations with pedophiles, in the context of this bizarre fictional circumstance that could never occur in the real world, I think it would be all right или at least as potentially so as any other affair between consenting adults.

In Twilight, Renesmee is not an adult in the body of a child as are the other examples, but she is highly intelligent. As she physically matures super fast and is in possession of such a powerful intellect, the normal age limits that apply to the grand majority needn’t apply to her. Should she become sexually inclined while still physically a child (it happens), I don’t think it would necessarily be the same sort of issue дана the strange fictional circumstances that give her the intellect of someone much older on average. I don’t know, I guess it may depend on the exact nature of the situation. Anyway, Jacob isn’t a pedophile, so this doesn’t even need to be discussed in relation to the story written by Stephenie Meyer.

In conclusion, Twilight does not depict pedophilia, and anyone who thinks so has misunderstood what Stephenie Meyer wrote. The imprinting phenomenon is not sexual in nature when the object of such is a child, making it an intense platonic friendship that develops into romance with age, and most importantly the connection is felt by both parties. The attraction between Edward and Bella is not based in pedophilia, the word itself misused by people who don’t have a clear concept of what it is other than illegal on which to act. Although certainly very strange, none of the relationships in Twilight have the properties of pedophilia или child molestation. I suspect most people who object to the weird-ages relationships either didn’t read very carefully или heard from their Друзья who didn’t read very carefully. Everyone, please note that within the Фэнтези genre circumstances can arise that have no real world equivalent simply because it’s еще of an intriguing product of one’s imagination than a serious commentary on reality.
posted by Dragonclaws
 Internet joke critcizing Bella's adoration of Edward's stalking
Internet joke critcizing Bella's adoration of Edward's stalking
Okay, I’m a big Twilight fan. I’ve got all the books. I’ve got all the movies. I’ve been to Forks and La Push for Twilight tourism. I have two Twilight T-shirts, one with the Cullen family crest and one with a werewolf presumably supposed to be Jacob. I’m planning to redo my room in a Готика vampire theme based on a Twilight room in a motel in Forks. On the other hand, I’ve gotten into the subject of feminism and feminist analysis, and I’ve been Чтение all these anti-Twilight Статьи at link talking about how abusive Edward and Jacob are, and I’ve had a bit of a conflict between...
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Эй, guiz...dis is Seth's POV..
Hope U lyk it!!

Chapter 4-Part 2

I ran..I had to get to the Cullens'.
I looked down at her and I saw her staring at me...I couldn't meet her gaze..dunno why..I was running so fast that I hadn't noticed her arms around me. She was clinging to me. Like Nessie usually clung to Bella или Jake. Maybe she felt protected with me.Maybe she loved me as much a I loved her..Hope..I could only hope.. I ran until I reached the baseball clearing..
This place..the place where many have Остаться в живых their immortal lives..Redhead's newborns..Innocent people who had been changed just for use..for...
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!!!!!!!!!WARNING!!!!! ONLY FOR ADULTS!!!!!!
Hello, friends. Thank Ты for your suppors. Ты just have no idea, how Ты all inspire me :) Thank Ты a lot!

“I’m making Ты unhappy now. I don’t want to do that.”
“Then don’t Ты be unhappy. That’s the only thing that’s wrong here.”
I looked at her for a long moment, thinking that the whole situation was wrong. I couldn’t change anything for now. She wants me to be happy. Well, if I can’t feel happy, I can act if I was happy to make her feel better. I took a deep breath and nodded.
“You’re right. The past is past and I can’t...
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I woke up the Далее morning full of energy,ready to do something.I hurried to get dressed throwing on a pair of denim short shorts, a tank вверх and a pair of flip flops. I skipped into the кухня and looked in the cabinets.
"We have no food."I heard a voice say from behind me. I turned and saw Edward in only a towel wrapped around his waist and water leaking down his body. I opened my mouth to say something, but nothing came out, he just chuckled lightly.
"I'm going to the store in an час или so..If Ты wanna come with me and pick up somethings..that'll be ok."He сказал(-а) to me.I nodded my head in...
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posted by Alex_XcullenX
"Motherfucker," Bella screamed as Edward held her hand. He was worried about the discomfort and pain he had caused her, he was the Источник of her pain. Although he was truly happy about what would eventually come from her pain, he did not like it.

"Jesus, Bella, I'm so sorry. It will be fine. Ты just need to get through this. Breathe baby, breathe." He held her hand and placed gentle kisses on her knuckles.

"Get through this? Don't tell me to get through this. You," she shouted at him, "You did this to me, just fuck…" she cried out in pain. Bella knew she shouldn't be so mean but pain took...
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posted by groovychicklisa
Edward picked me up at eight the following morning, since we had a bit of a walk ahead of us.

"Got comfy shoes on?" He asked as I got into the car.

"My Избранное sneakers." I replied.

"Good." He pulled out of the driveway and headed north on the one-oh-one, CCR's Have Ты ever seen the rain on the stereo. After a while, we turned onto the one-ten, and drove until it turned into a small, dirt road. He stopped, and I could see a hiking trail disappear into the woods ahead of us.

We got out of the car, and he pulled two backpacks from the trunk, handing one of them to me.

"This one's only got a couple...
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posted by twilight-7
Kayla’s POV

I was furious. How dare she be here?! How could she be here?! Why would he let her? Doesn’t he know how I feel about her and her moronic father? Her stupid father told my mother something, causing her to leave Charlie and go back to England with me. I didn’t know what was сказал(-а) exactly but it couldn’t have been ‘Oh Sarah, Ты look fat in that today’. It had to be something really serious, really bad, that she would Переместить back to England.
Lexi sat nervously down on the sofa Далее to the guy called Gabriel. There was something about him that looked familiar. I couldn’t quite...
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posted by xroylex
as i aprouched the car i could hear jacob mutter to himself
"should of stayed, what would sam think? i am the worst excuse for werewolf"
"jacob are Ты ok?" i asked as i climbed in
"are Ты ok? dont ask me i should of stayed its my job to protect humans humans like Ты from them" he spat the word. best tell him now before he hates me.
"jacob i can handle my self i am not what Ты think i am"
"no your еще your smart funny and beautiful nessie and i Любовь you" he leaned in and i couldnt stop him onse he started when he did start so before his lips could touch mine
"i am half vampire" he stopped...
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posted by Tatti
So, I decided to continue Письмо about Alice but this time I added Jasper's point of view. Hope Ты liked, if Ты have any thoughts about it leave a comment.

September of 1945

Jasper

So the war has been over... Too bad for me and others of my kind. It'll be harder to explain people deaths. I stopped for moment and watched clouds passing me by. What am I going to do in my life? The north would be heaven to me if I don't feel that strangling pain radiating from my victims. I can feel their fear, anger and desperation wherever I am going, it follows me to every city, every state, every country or...
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Rosalie’s P.O.V:
Hanging out with колокол, колокольчик, белл and Ali was fun. Of course, Alice had to drag Bella and me to Victoria’s secret because she wanted us to look sexy for the men. We went to Victoria’s Secret and bought red, pink, and lacy white bras. Alice bugged Bella to buy a pair of green and white bras that Bella objected looked like hooker panties. I laughed under my breath. But eventually Alice wore Bella down. And the Далее thing Bella and I knew we were holding langeray in line rolling our eyes at Ali’s giddiness. Then we took Bella to a кренделек, крендель place to get her a кренделек, крендель to settle her hunger...
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Dear Twilighters,

Greetings to all of Ты from the link club! I'm Dearheart, and I'm one of the people who first founded the CAT.

Before I say anything else, let me clarify some things for you: No, I don't like Twilight and probably never will. That's just me. But I respect the people who DO like it, and I won't bite any of your heads off just because Ты happen to have different tastes than me. If you're crazy about Twilight, that's awesome! I won't ever criticize Ты for that или try to force Ты to "convert" to the anti side.

I'm Письмо this to Ты now because I want to let Ты all know, once...
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*by Stephenie Meyer*



TWILIGHT - epilogue - AN OCCASION


His hands hesitated at my waist, and he glanced at my bum leg. "Do Ты want to dance again? или can I help Ты get somewhere?"
Edward answered for me. "That's all right, Jacob. I'll take it from here."
Jacob flinched, and stared wide-eyed at Edward, who stood just beside us.
"Hey, I didn't see Ты there," he mumbled. "I guess I'll see Ты around, Bella." He stepped back, waving half-heartedly.
I smiled. "Yeah, I'll see Ты later."
"Sorry," he сказал(-а) again before he turned for the door.
Edward's arms wound around me as the Далее song started....
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Эй, guys, sorry this took so long but i had a mega homework load, plus like four tests in one week...year 12 sucks. i also had to work the entire weekend, so i didn't have much Письмо time. (i work at paper squared, largest scrapbooking Магазин in Australia, check it out....yeah, i'm shameless lol)hope Ты like anyway :P


His thoughts abruptly changed direction, moving onto thoughts of Alice that I would rather not see.
The teacher chose that moment to enter the room, quieting everyone.
I tried to tune out Jasper and went back to watching Bella through the minds of others.

Bella’s POV:
Would this...
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these are things emmett cullen should never do no offense to emmett Фаны
1. dress as Динь-Динь and run through the house saying hes a pixie like alice
2. pretend hes a striper and strip for edward on hes piano
3. take alices porche for a joy ride
4.go to school and yell that jasper thinks he is his boyfriend
5. emmett is never allowed to run through the hospital yelling DADDY!
6. emmett is never allowed to tell alice розовый is not her color
7. emmett is never allowed to drive a school bus
8. или drive the bus into a lake
9. emmett is never allowed to tell esma that he will go find a new "fake" mom
10. emmett is never allowed to tell jasper texans are hicks
thanks for Чтение my Статья please leave an Комментарий
posted by Andressa_Weld
*This clothes are ridiculous
*You need bigger hight heels
*I Put all your new clothes on the roof
*Jasper told me that Ты are not good at sex
*you would be perfect for the role of the dwarf in Snow White
*Jasper told me he thinks I'm hot
*Esme told me that I'm her Избранное daughter
*Your power is useless, the visions change
*I think Jane is taller than you
*Your hair looks like a метла
*Bella hates you
*What was your human mother name?
*I donated your new clothes to Jacob and Sam
*Edward told me that when Charlie first saw Ты he thought that Ты were Bella's 8 years old cousin
*Last night Emmett and I had sex in your car and broke it
1. Ты wake up in the middle of the night to find him climbing through your window to watch Ты sleep.

2. He hates your dog, and all Собаки for that matter.

3. He looks at Ты like you're somethig to eat.

4. He frequently tells Ты how nice Ты smell.

5. His parents mysteriously let him ditch school on sunny days just to go CAMPING!

6. He stops a фургон, ван from almost crushing Ты to death with his медведь hands.

7. He can bounce Фрукты from his feet like a Футбол ball (apples are his specialty).

8. He calls Ты паук monkey and runs around with Ты on his back.

9. He seems to know what everyone is thinking.

10. He claims the reason his eyes change color is because of "the fluorescence".
*by Stephenie Meyer*



TWILIGHT - chapter 13 - CONFESSIONS


Edward in the sunlight was shocking. I couldn't get used to it, though I'd been staring at him all afternoon. His skin, white despite the faint flush from yesterday's hunting trip, literally sparkled, like thousands of tiny diamonds were embedded in the surface. He lay perfectly still in the grass, his рубашка open over his sculpted, incandescent chest, his scintillating arms bare. His glistening, pale lavender lids were shut, though of course he didn't sleep. A perfect statue, carved in some unknown stone, smooth like marble, glittering...
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*by Stephenie Meyer*



TWILIGHT - chapter 10 - INTERROGATIONS


It was very hard, in the morning, to argue with the part of me that was sure last night was a dream. Logic wasn't on my side, или common sense. I clung to the parts I couldn't have imagined - like his smell. I was sure I could never have dreamed that up on my own.
It was foggy and dark outside my window, absolutely perfect. He had no reason not to be in school today. I dressed in my heavy clothes, remembering I didn't have a jacket. Further proof that my memory was real.
When I got downstairs. Charlie was gone again - I was running later...
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posted by twilightrox43
This is a strange one. Hmmm... <3

Off I go to get Bella. It doesn't make sense. Bella just dashed after her and didn't return. I whirled into the thick trees. Ariella and Bella were like identical twins by personality. I was starting to believe Alice was getting a bit jealous. I first noticed the absolute clue when she came whizzing up behind. "Alice, what are Ты doing? Go back home. It's fine." I ordered. "No," she replied simply. I didn't go on more. I knew she cared about Bella. We found her leaning over a shaking Ariella, shock spreading on her face. Sounds bristled in the woods. The...
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posted by twilight-7
I felt Edward slide into my постель, кровати and opened my eyes to see him looking at me worriedly. I instantly blocked my mind. I couldn’t have him finding out from my thoughts.
“How are Ты feeling?” he asked me.
“Better,”I said. “You were gone.”
“I had to go see Alice,” he pulled me onto his lap. “I wanted to know if she saw Mitchell coming anytime soon.”
“And did she?”
“No, apparently he’s still undecided. Though from the vision Ты had Ты would think he knew.”
I nodded. They knew about my vision. Someone had to know because I was sure it wasn’t me in that vision.
“Maybe...
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